Hi all 
As per subject, recently picked up a 800es cheap to replace an even cheaper machine, and it is lacking get up and go in the steam department
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Pump will move plenty of hot water through the group, coffee then filter etc, so would lead me to think that the pump is fine as i would expect this to be the most restrictive test to the pump. Water is coming out of the group hot and heating element comes on and off as directed by the rear most thermostat, (that parts list notes is 96C), so that side of things seems to be working..
Steam out of the lance is hot also but just doesnt seem to be enough of it? As soon as steam is selected heater comes on,(flashing), get a good 3-4 second wait pump starts then starts pushing water out lance that then turns quickly to steam... So the process seems to be ok but just not a lot of flow compared to a friends 800es.
Lance it self isnt blocked and neither is the tip..(when selecting hot water from the lance there is heaps of flow and its hot).
When have finish with the steam,(takes awhile as soo slow), there is lots and lots of pressure released out the bypass, and sounds like water boiling out of the thermoblock. Which leads we to think there is a blockage in the thermoblock? Are the steam paths separate to the hot water paths through the thermoblock? maybe one blocked and not the other?
Also the second thermostat,(front one), never switches on or off... the parts list notes it as a 120C, Could this be the problem? keeping in mind that the heating element is switched on and has power as soon as the steam function is selected, and stays on all the time while steaming. Is the thermoblock supposed to heat up to the 120C before the pump starts pushing water, and regulated by the 120C thermostat? or is it just there as a failsafe encase the whole thing over shoots in temp?
Keen to hear your thoughts, and especially from those that have had the same problem and fixed
Also Im sure i came across a parts brake down on here, (pdf in a post maybe?), but cant find it now??? Think someone was after the service manual... and someone offered it...any ideas?
Sorry for the long read, but one needs to be detailed with trouble shooting and problems
Cheers

As per subject, recently picked up a 800es cheap to replace an even cheaper machine, and it is lacking get up and go in the steam department
.Pump will move plenty of hot water through the group, coffee then filter etc, so would lead me to think that the pump is fine as i would expect this to be the most restrictive test to the pump. Water is coming out of the group hot and heating element comes on and off as directed by the rear most thermostat, (that parts list notes is 96C), so that side of things seems to be working..
Steam out of the lance is hot also but just doesnt seem to be enough of it? As soon as steam is selected heater comes on,(flashing), get a good 3-4 second wait pump starts then starts pushing water out lance that then turns quickly to steam... So the process seems to be ok but just not a lot of flow compared to a friends 800es.
Lance it self isnt blocked and neither is the tip..(when selecting hot water from the lance there is heaps of flow and its hot).
When have finish with the steam,(takes awhile as soo slow), there is lots and lots of pressure released out the bypass, and sounds like water boiling out of the thermoblock. Which leads we to think there is a blockage in the thermoblock? Are the steam paths separate to the hot water paths through the thermoblock? maybe one blocked and not the other?
Also the second thermostat,(front one), never switches on or off... the parts list notes it as a 120C, Could this be the problem? keeping in mind that the heating element is switched on and has power as soon as the steam function is selected, and stays on all the time while steaming. Is the thermoblock supposed to heat up to the 120C before the pump starts pushing water, and regulated by the 120C thermostat? or is it just there as a failsafe encase the whole thing over shoots in temp?
Keen to hear your thoughts, and especially from those that have had the same problem and fixed

Also Im sure i came across a parts brake down on here, (pdf in a post maybe?), but cant find it now??? Think someone was after the service manual... and someone offered it...any ideas?
Sorry for the long read, but one needs to be detailed with trouble shooting and problems
Cheers

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