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  • Ikon+Nemox Lux Crema Problem

    Ok my Ikon has unpressurised baskets and I have a Nemox grinder. Been using freshly roasted beans from Single Origin at 3.5/4 setting on Nemox as per suggested by Single Origin.
    Dismal crema.  

    Setting on Nemox 4 means Ikon is backwashing for long time before espresso comes out.. although it does come out, eventually (very very slow drip only). Seems I got the best crema here meaning about 1mm layer which dissipates eventually to sides  

    Setting <4 means no espresso comes out.

    Setting 5/6 means espresso has mouses tail but the coffee is lighter in color (?) and tastes like diluted short black

    Any ideas?

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    Re: Ikon+Nemox Crema Problem

    Originally posted by 2D282D2C2429410 link=1286770287/0#0 date=1286770287
    Ok my Ikon has unpressurised baskets and I have a Nemox grinder. Been using freshly roasted beans from Single Origin at 3.5/4 setting on Nemox as per suggested by Single Origin.
    Dismal crema.  

    Setting on Nemox 4 means Ikon is backwashing for long time before espresso comes out.. although it does come out, eventually (very very slow drip only). Seems I got the best crema here meaning about 1mm layer which dissipates eventually to sides  

    Setting <4 means no espresso comes out.

    Setting 5/6 means espresso has mouses tail but the coffee is lighter in color (?) and tastes like diluted short black

    Any ideas?
    Better grinder or mod it to remove the steps

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    • #3
      Re: Ikon+Nemox Crema Problem

      Originally posted by 035C445259525E575754545C505F310 link=1286770287/1#1 date=1286772396

      Better grinder or mod it to remove the steps
      Hmm, Ive seen people here with these machines in this combo with better results though.. I think it must be me doing something wrong...

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      • #4
        Re: Ikon+Nemox Lux Crema Problem

        I dont know what the steps are like on that grinder, but slow drips means too much resistance, and diluted taste means not enough!

        Somehow you have to get in the middle. If you cant do it with the grinder, then you have to do it with your dose and tamp.

        Take the smallest step up from 4. that you can. If its still gushing, put in more grinds, and tamp harder. If you had a perfect setup you would be looking for a 15kg-ish tamp, but if you dont have the ultimate setup then tamp the hell outa it if you have to! All in the name of science of course

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        • #5
          Re: Ikon+Nemox Lux Crema Problem

          ok will try a 5 with super hard tamp on my next coffee and keep you guys updated

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          • #6
            Re: Ikon+Nemox Lux Crema Problem

            hmm.. ok I have a question, if the crema dissipates slowly from the cup, is that fake crema?

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            • #7
              Re: Ikon+Nemox Lux Crema Problem

              Actually.... :

              When I owned an Imat/Nemox/Lelit Lux Grinder, it performed very well when paired with my Imat Mokita. Excellent coffee became the norm not the exception, so I wouldnt be too hasty in wanting to trade up to something else.

              Re: the persistent Crema....
              If you are back to using Pressurised Baskets again then yes, it might be Faux Crema but if youre using high quality, freshly roasted coffee then the Crema is probably real. On the other hand, if youre sticking with Standard (non-pressurised) Baskets, then this is the Real Stuff and to be enjoyed.... 8-) ;D

              Mal.

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              • #8
                Re: Ikon+Nemox Lux Crema Problem

                Originally posted by 7C51555954380 link=1286770287/6#6 date=1286886833
                On the other hand, if youre sticking with Standard (non-pressurised) Baskets, then this is the Real Stuff and to be enjoyed.... 8-) ;D

                Mal.
                Baskets are unpressurised but as I said previously, the crema kinda of disappears to the sides after leaving it around for more than 2 mins or so..

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                • #9
                  Re: Ikon+Nemox Lux Crema Problem

                  Originally posted by 494C4948404D250 link=1286770287/7#7 date=1286893738
                  Originally posted by 7C51555954380 link=1286770287/6#6 date=1286886833
                  On the other hand, if youre sticking with Standard (non-pressurised) Baskets, then this is the Real Stuff and to be enjoyed.... 8-) ;D

                  Mal.
                  Baskets are unpressurised but as I said previously, the crema kinda of disappears to the sides after leaving it around for more than 2 mins or so..
                  Depends on teh beans and what sort of a shot was pulled.

                  I have had some great ones where teh crema just hangs around and yet other shots will dissipate rather quickly..

                  The trick is to drink it and not watch it, after 2 min its going cold ;D

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                  • #10
                    Re: Ikon+Nemox Lux Crema Problem

                    I completely agree with AM on that one.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Ikon+Nemox Lux Crema Problem

                      Why the heck would you be leaving it for 2 minutes or more?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Ikon+Nemox Lux Crema Problem

                        Originally posted by 4478657E747562777F74100 link=1286770287/10#10 date=1286932816
                        Why the heck would you be leaving it for 2 minutes or more?
                        So lilmeh how BIG or Pin hole are your iriss at this stage ?

                        Maybe one likes to stare into the pretty oil residue and patterns in the glass..

                        If so, I want what lilmeh has had, prior to watching his crema   ;D

                        Cause at this stage my eyes just shake side to side after a good coffee  ;D

                        Something like this

                        [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHmKEWO6Wzs[/media]


                        OMG so OT.   Sorry

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                        • #13
                          Re: Ikon+Nemox Lux Crema Problem

                          Originally posted by 77585153447B57585751535B535842360 link=1286770287/11#11 date=1286934470

                          If so, I want what lilmeh has had, prior to watching his crema   ;D
                          Firstly, her :P

                          Secondly, I just checked it and the crema actually dissipates to the sides in about 10 secs after I pull the shot..

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                          • #14
                            Re: Ikon+Nemox Lux Crema Problem

                            Sorry to revive an old thread, but I have the same issue with my Ikon paired with a Sunbeam grinder (0450).  I see pics of other peoples shots where the crema accounts for a third of the volume (or height in the glass, at least) of the shot, and alas I get barely enough crema to cover the top of the shot, and it very quickly dissipates 

                            Did you pinpoint the cause of your lack of crema?  Ive tried adjusting dose/tamp to a point, but find, like you, that the machine does choke fairly easily with either too firm a tamp, and particularly with too fine a grind.

                            FWIW, Im relatively happy with the coffee I can produce, but I take the lack of crema as an indication that there is plenty of scope for improvement in my technique.  Or perhaps its an indication that there is plenty of scope for improvement in my equipment... but any advice on a technique level is most welcome - this I can afford! ;D

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                            • #15
                              Re: Ikon+Nemox Lux Crema Problem

                              If you can choke the machine,m and the temperature is close enough to correct to count, then odds are that it is the coffee you are using. No crema usually means stale coffee. Thinking back over my ten+ years of home experience, I think the only time I got less than half of a cup of crema was when I forgot to put coffee in the portafilter.   

                              <--- check that image! Thats two full ounces of crema from home roasted coffee.

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