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    I have never owned a coffee machine before, but I love a great coffee. My friend has a Gaggia Deluxe which makes fairly decent coffee with a boiler. I really should have done my research because I thought that spending 400 bux on a coffee machine would get me something decent. The Breville 800es looked sturdy and solid. Not flimsy like some of the other cheaper ones. For the coffee connosieur it said. Well I have made about 20 coffees on it so far and all of them taste brown water. Im extremely dissapointed. It makes a fair crema and all of that but it just doesnt seem to be extracting all the good oils and stuff. I hate this!! I get so damn cranky when my cafe bought coffee isnt right. So you can imagine how I feel right now, being unable to make 1 proper coffee. TO be honest the Nescafe Cappuccino sachets with fake froth hit the spot in a way thats so much more satisfying than the coffee this stupid machine is making. The reviews I read said it was a great product etc etc but Im peeved majorly.

    I know there are heaps of factors in pulling a good coffee but I hope this thermoblock versus boiler issue is not the main culprit.

    Ive tried vittoria espresso blend of beans with a blade grinder and vittoria cafe blend oro pregrind. The puck is always wet unlike my perculator pucks which are always dry and firm. Its all been rather dissapointing to me. I want to throw it through the window.

    what do I try guys Im at the end of my tether. My friend with the gaggia thinks the vittoria beans are worthless.

    I might just drink some short blacks for a while. see how I go.

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    Re: Just bought a Breville 800ES

    I sympathise refsta,

    It is frustrating when you outlay the cash and are unable to produce a decent coffee.

    Most of us here use fresh roasted coffee to make our espresso. Your local roaster can help there. Where abouts are you? There are a couple of fantastic roasters that can help with your bean.

    Most CoffeeSnobs use burr grinders to get the best from their beans once they are roasted.

    Checkout the threads through out this forum, there are lots of helpful tips. You may even be tempted to get into roasting your own once you see the only specialist equipment you need is a secondhand pop corn popper.

    Once you are getting some good quality beans, roasted fresh, ground less then 3min before you use them, tamped firmly into your hot Portafilter you will notice a huge difference, even on your Breville!

    Dont dispair! Help is at hand. Keep experimenting and keep posting here, we will work it out together.

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    • #3
      Re: Just bought a Breville 800ES

      Gday refsta and welcome to CoffeeSnobs [smiley=thumbsup.gif],

      Everything Presso mentioned is spot-on advice, cant beat really freshly roasted coffee, whether from a reputable artisan roaster or do it yourself at home ;D.

      The importance of having a quality burr grinder on hand cant be overstated either as once the coffee beans have been ground, they start to go stale within three minutes so you can see the synergy required here. Theres a really good summary of grinders suitable for espresso to be found here and its worth a look.

      Something else that will make a huge difference to the quality of shots you pull, is non-pressurised PF Baskets. Several members have acquired these for their Sunbeam and Breville machines and are very happy they did. Info about these can be found here. Theres a bit of other useful info in here too that you might find helpful.

      And last but not least, you need to have a quality Tamper to get the best out of your machine on a consistent basis.... One of our Site Sponsors, Greg Pullman, makes a world class quality Tamper that is custom fitted to your machines baskets. Heaps of members own them and can swear to their effect of improving the quality of shots produced.... only a simple device but a really important asset on the road to achieving that elusive God Shot you hear so much about 8-).

      Hope this helps you out mate.... All the best,

      Mal.

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      • #4
        Re: Just bought a Breville 800ES

        Mate - I have learned a lot from this site. You simply must have fresh coffee (with plenty of oils in the beans) and a good quality grinder - the new Sunbeam Cafe one would the the minimum and if the budget stetches, then get a Rancilio Rocky.

        Cheers

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        • #5
          Re: Just bought a Breville 800ES

          thanks so much for the feedback guys.

          i will look into one of the cafe series burr grinders and popcorn poppers. see if that helps any.

          the thing that intrigues me is my friend with the gaggia uses a blade grinder and one of those little flimsy little tampers that look like u would get with a pack of coffee for free or something using store bought beans and can many times pull a superb coffee.

          are boiler machines all that over the thermoblock or what?

          the way i can explain my coffee at the moment is when mixed with milk it lacks the coffeeness. when i drink without milk(30ml shot) i taste bitterness and acidity but no coffee taste. its really like drinking useless brown water. it doesnt even have aroma. i mean the shot pulls fine with a nice crema layer and i can get a latte looking half decent and it will sate thirst until you get to actually tasting it and realising it just lacks any character. anyway anyway. lol i hope theres a way thru to that great coffee that just makes you go ahhhhhh after a sip. i never thought id be so anal about my coffee, but i guess once you have experienced that god shot coffee a few times your an instant connosieur. i demand satisfaction! lol

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          • #6
            Re: Just bought a Breville 800ES

            well sut up are good, but so is a well set up thermoblock - for taste quality and consistency of shot time after time, quick shots, its hard to go past the Sunbeam EM6910 stainless steel lined thermo. Having said that even cheaper boilers such as the Sunbeam Ristretto make good shots (but that machine does not produce the shot that the EMs make).

            The only way to make good coffee, even with a $10,000 commercial machine is to have fresh coffee properly ground, dosed and tamped - you will taste the difference guaranteed.

            Ohh...does your breville have crema enhancing baskets ?

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            • #7
              Re: Just bought a Breville 800ES

              mate...just found the reason for your coffee not having the fullness of taste that you want:

              "Features
              • 15 bar thermoblock pump system
              • Advanced dual wall crema system ..."

              ....from the Breville web site - its got crema enhancing baskets...you need to get rid of those and insert normal single walled baskets if the machine will work with those (it claims to have a 15 bar pump so hopefully it will). The crema enhancers make impressive looking crema but with bitter and thin taste - they percolate the coffee rather than espressing through it...my Sunbeam Ristetto employes the same system. Frankly I think the RRP for an crema enhaning machine is a bit steep. You can pick up a 15 bar, big (relatively) boiler Ristretto for about $90 - does not look as flash as the Brev but I bet it performs as well. I got that Brev for a mates wedding a year of so ago before I knew anything much about good home made coffee!!

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              • #8
                Re: Just bought a Breville 800ES

                Refsta,

                Yep ozscott is right on the money - loose those "crema enhancing baskets"...

                If they are 53mm baskets go to your local saeco service agent.... they sell normal baskets which should fit - take your PF with you to check....

                And fresh beans with a good grinder are a must.

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                • #9
                  Re: Just bought a Breville 800ES

                  hehe awesome! so thats the deal hey. even if i get a thin or insignificant crema it dont matter to me as much as a full tasting shot DAMN IT! ok i will have to do this. i tried pulling the dual wall plastic thing out of the basket but the actual basket filter part has a tiny hole in the bottom of it that just pisses out a jet of frothy coffee. it has only made the coffee worse. i think the whole perculating the coffee theory is spot on. what sort of price am i looking at for a saeco basket/filters ?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Just bought a Breville 800ES

                    oh hang on im starting to taste the coffee a bit now lol. but yer definately have to move on to a saeco basket. there is hope still

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                    • #11
                      Re: Just bought a Breville 800ES

                      Originally posted by refsta link=1171219646/0#8 date=1171284174
                      what sort of price am i looking at for a saeco basket/filters ?
                      Yep, need to replace those baskets..... replacements are about $12 each - so not too bad!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Just bought a Breville 800ES

                        i made an affogatto. seems to bring out the taste a bit better using a creamy vanilla ice cream.

                        i got in touch with the local saeco guy today and am waiting on reply.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Just bought a Breville 800ES

                          ...hehehe..I like your thinking refsta...stick in some icecream!

                          Good luck with it....please let us know how you go with the new baskets. You will need a good tamp and nice fresh coffee ground right down - otherwise the water will pour through way to fast, without giving the benefit of perking and no crema or much sweetness at all.

                          Cheers

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                          • #14
                            Re: Just bought a Breville 800ES

                            heheh is that cheating is it

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                            • #15
                              Re: Just bought a Breville 800ES

                              i just ordered the krups filter baskets both single and double. $34 including postage. next on the list will be a EMO burr grinder

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