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    HI all!

    First post here
    Ive been "lurking" around for the last couple of weeks and I must say you guys know your coffee!
    Ive been brewing coffe for many years, although not in such a "professional" way as you guys do here. I started back in Spain using the typical "mokas" and when I came to Australia nine years ago I bought a Krups espresso machine which served me good (using supermarket coffe, I know, I know... :-[) for 4-5 years. When that machine died I replaced it with a Breville Cafe Roma which I got for a bit more than $100 and I must say its done a good job until now (again, with "staled" supermarket coffee and pressurized baskets).
    Now the breville has died and I was thinking on getting a Breville Ikon, non-pressurized baskets and a Sunbeam EM0450 ro EM0480 grinder. This would have set me up around $400 which is over my budget at the moment (none) but I urgent need as I need my espresso in the morning!

    HOWEVER, yesterday while doing some shopping I came accross a "weird" machine at a second-hand shop. The machine is badged as "G3 Ferrari Cremosa Junior" and upon closer inspection I saw that it had non-pressurized baskets and that it was a boiler machine very similar to the "Saeco Aroma". So I ended up buying it for the huge amount of $25.
    Got it home, cleaned it up a bit, descaled it and tested it and lo and behold it works!
    Now Ive never used boiler machines before so Im having some problems, specially when frothing milk as it only produces steam for around a minute or so and I have to close the steamer and let it "fill up" the boiler and this way Im not getting consistent crema. I prime the machine before using but I still cant get ennough steam

    The machine has a spring-type swith (you have to keep it pressed manually) under the steam know which after fiddling around I think is for filling up the boiler but Ive never seen one like that before.

    Now if I can get the frothing right Ill go and buy myself a decnt grinder (my options still are the EM0450 or EM0480) and I can get "proper" espresso for less than what I was going to spend on the Ikon only!

    A couple of crappy pics I took with the mobile:

  • #2
    Re: New here

    when you hit the steam button, are waiting for the the boiler get right up to temp? 1 minute should be ample time to steam milk for 2 coffees. I have never used this machine but I have had someone make me a fw on one that looked just like it. $25 is a bargain. now all the money you saved on the machine you can spend on getting a sweet grinder. imo you will want to upgrade the sunbeam within a few months.


    • #3
      Re: New here

      Originally posted by muppet_man67 link=1181457805/0#1 date=1181458644
      when you hit the steam button, are waiting for the the boiler get right up to temp?
      Thats the thing. The steam button (not the knob) doesnt "stay on" by itself, I have to keep it press. When I pressed the brewer button lights up (like it does when I first turn on the machine until it heats up) but Ive kept it press for close to a minute and I can hear steam building up but the light doesnt seem to go off and Im afraid I will overheat the boiler as after 20-30 second of me keeping the button pressed it starts producing some steam through the brewing block.

      Is this normal (the "spring" button instead of a switch)? and should I keep it pressed for longer and wait for the heating light to go off?

      On a side note, I got some finely ground coffee from the supermarket, waiting until I get my grinder this Thursday and all the baristas (found out that DeBartoli as is only 5 minutes form my place) where closed yesterday but I needed my fix! and I can now get better espresso but no much crema at all, even after filling up the double shot basket and tampering so that after I finish the shot it shows the screw head impression on it.
      Would this till be the bad coffee Im suing or could it be the machine not "pushing" strong enough?

      Thanks again for all the help.


      • #4
        Re: New here

        The machine looks a lot like a silvia copy.

        It doesnt seem right or make sense that the steam switch would be momentary in a single boiler machine.
        To heat from brew to steam should take about 1 min [Its just too long to wait]

        It is possible the switch itself has broken [ie a spring or latch has broken] ?
        Also, some switches have two movements [up or down from centre], one way will latch and one will be momentary.

        Is there any visible indication that the boiler is being heated, when the steam switch is pressed?

        Id hold it the steam switch down for a minute or longer just to see if the you can get more steam.
        What makes you think that this switch is filling the boiler, can you hear the pump when its depressed.

        A liitle steam leaking via the group, is possibly OK, though it may suggest you need to replace the group seal.

        Supermarket coffee is not ground fine enough for "true" espresso machines with non-pressurised portafilters, it will gush.


        • #5
          Re: New here

          Thanks for the tips reubster.

          Ill take the button apart when I get home and see if I can find anything wrong in it. Its only got 2 positions: off and on(as long as you keep it pressed).
          Theres no visible indication but you can hear it building up the steam but now that you mention it is only steam that you hear and not the pump so my description was wrong. When Im pressing the steam button the boiler fills up with steam (not water).

          Ill try and keep the button pressed for longer than a minute and see how that goes.
          Regarding the steam coming from the group, it only happens after Ive kept the steam button pressed for over 30 seconds, but as you suggested I may take the seal to DeBartoli and see if they can get me a new one (I hope being a "Silvia" copy it uses standard parts). If this is the case, could that be why I dont get "crema" on the espresso (apart form the supermarket coffee of course)


          • #6
            Re: New here

            Remember power off & plug out, when you look at the switch.

            From experience, if the switch it has broken, you will struggle to fix it, but finding and fitting suitable replacement shouldnt be too hard.

            Just before you try out the steam function, bleed a little water out from the steam wand, this will give "room" in the boiler for the steam to build up.

            Put simply, Crema, is produced by the extraction of oils when coffee is exposed to a certain pressure.

            In non pressurised porta-filters a combination of the right grind and the right tamp beans will provide this pressure.
            If the beans are ground too course [as supermarket beans are] you will probably get a fast pout and very little crema.
            As a rule of thumb, a good pour should take 25 sec for 30ml [single] or 60ml [double].

            Pressurised portafilters "cheat" they have a tiny hole that creates the pressure. This eliminates "user" variables such as grind or tamp, in fact as others have said, pressurised portafilters will produce crema from tan-bark.


            • #7
              Re: New here

              Dont worry about powering off and unplugging, Im an IT specialist and know about those thing (although is always good to be reminded).

              I always bleed the nozzle before steaming so thats not an issue.

              So by what you say, a bad seal in the group shouldnt really affect the coffee as much as the right grind and tampering does?

              I know the way pressurized PFs cheat from my Breville Cafe Roma and I must say the effect is great (not so the taste).
              I cant wait now to get my grinder and start experimenting!

              Thanks foor the advice, Ill keep you updated...


              • #8
                Re: New here

                I am also fairly new at this however a question I asked may answer the crema question. From my understanding now you will struggle to get crema or a long pour from supermarket coffee. Does not matter how much you tamp or anything else. This is why they have pressurised baskets to produce crema regardless of the age of the coffee.

                This is the thread I am referring to.


                I now have a grinder but am waiting for my non pressurised basket to arrive before I know if I am able to create true crema


                • #9
                  Re: New here

                  Given fresh roasted coffee


                  • #10
                    Re: New here

                    Made some progress last night (at least in the steaming department).
                    Didnt have time to take the button apart but I kept it pressed for longer (to build up steam) and got a lot more steam this time (even though the heating light never came off after I pressed the button for over a minute).
                    When I felt the steam was weakening I pushed the button while I was still steaming and that seem to did the trick as I finally got some proper creamy milk (still lots of room for improvement though).

                    Onto the coffee itself, I knew about the importance of freshly grind coffee but I wasnt sure if a bad group seal could be at blame too, going by what you guys tell me ti looks like its definitely the stale coffee Im using.
                    Tomorrow is finally payday so Ill have my new grinder this weekend!
                    Im finding it hard to justify to my significant other spending close to $200 on a grinder even though shes a coffee lover too, so I cant see how I could get away with getting something better aka Iberital or Rocky as the price almost doubles.
                    I guess Ill have to get the Sunbeam and later on, when she discovers the importance of a good grinder, move to something better. I know this is a "waste of money" but sometimes you have to loose battles to win the war


                    • #11
                      Re: New here


                      In the Silvia, the heating indication light is paralled across the element+cutout thermostat, so whenever the heater is on [for steaming or brewing] the light is on.

                      We dont know if your circuit is wired in the same way, but this seems a fairly standard implementation

                      In Silvia, the heating [light on] cycle for steaming can take from 60 to 90 sec , but often I can steam [for 1 latte] prior to this.
                      You should hold it long enough for the heat cycle to stop [ie light off] just to determine what is happening.

                      I was thinking, if your steam switch was damaged [and momentary as a result] you may also be able to get away with swapping it with the brew switch.
                      It would be much more convenient to hold it in for 25
                      seconds rather than 90.

                      The sunbeam is a good entry grinder [I began with one too] but with questionable longevity, but it should go for long enough to get your SO hooked on great coffee.


                      • #12
                        Re: New here

                        Ok, an update.

                        On the steamer switch, Yesterday I took it apart and couldnt find anything wrong with it but my guess is that it was replaced by the previous owner and it originally was a standard "on-off" switch, so I went to Jaycar and got this:
                        I replaced it when I got back home and now I can turn it on and hear the steam building up and froth the milk for as long as I need (Ill need to practice a bit more to get the proper texture). Then I started brewing the coffee and.. boom! The house main switch went off and everything shut down. I must have wired the new switch wrong as its got 6 connectors where the old one only two, so I changed the connectors using a multimeter and so far so good... but well see how it goes tonight.

                        So that fixes my steam issue. As for the coffee, I gave up and bought myself the Sunbeam EM0480 on Sunday along with some "semi-fresh" beans (Vittoria, roasted on 16th May) from the supermarket as all the roasters were closed and I didnt want to spend much on beans that I was going to use just to "dial" the grinder.
                        I set the grinder at 14 and lo and behold I got a single shot of 20 sec with lots of crema!
                        After that I went one step finer (13) and went for a double shot but it stayed in the 20 sec mark again, so I think I probably need to be more consistent with my tampering and dosing but Ill get there.

                        BTW, I took the head gasket to DiBartoli yesterday and the guy told me its the same one as the Saeco Via Venezia, so now I know the machines origins. He didnt have a spare but he reckoned that it was still good so I ended up just buying a new tamper and Ill go back this week to buy some freshly roasted beans.

                        I cant wait to get home tonight and try to improve my frothing skills and get the right grind/tamper! (considering the replaced switch wont give me any problems).

                        Again, thanks every one for your help in getting me even more hooked into this wonderful world of coffee ;D


                        • #13

                          Resurrecting an old thread but I've just inherited a G3 Ferrari Cremosa Junior. My problem is that it doesn't have a filter handle nor basket.

                          I've tried a couple of coffee machine equipment places but no luck. Is there anyone here who could point me in the right direction?



                          • #14
                            If you can get hold of the above mentioned saeco via Venizia to try ('cause they're relatively common) See if it fits, then that shouldn't be too hard to come by if it does.

                            Ive got one. You need a 51mm basket/ handle.

                            just a guess from what I've read above...

                            and welcome to coffee snobs!


                            • #15
                              Thanks for that shortblackman. I will continue my quest. But maybe a brand new machine might be on the cards. Buying a new handle could be an expensive mistake if the Cremosa doesn't work, and I could put that money to a newbie.