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  • Modified em4800 with em0450 grinder - great!!!

    Ive been using the em4800 at work for a while now at work and it does an ok job with pre-ground coffee. Better than instant anyway, but I decided to get one for home on special and then got a em0450 for xmas.

    I was getting crappy 10 second gushers even with the coffee ground to atoms or it would just block and blow the seal.

    So I sifted through the forums here and found them to be extremely helpful, modified my machine slightly.

    I got a Krups filter basket and a Krups group head seal for about $20 bucks all up. What a difference! (the PF Basket is non-pressurised - dont bother with the crema enhancers - throw them in the bin) You need the Krups seal because the Sunbeam one doesnt quite produce a perfect seal and is prone to blowing. Theyre $5 at the same place you get the basket).

    after a lot of practise this is what Im getting consistently from a $300 setup:

    - 25-30 second pours
    - rich cinnamon coloured crema
    - a dense, dry puck which pops out easily
    - what i think is tiger striping
    - consistent volume

    I wasnt getting these results until I started overdosing the pf a little and tamping really hard, maybe 20kg or force?

    My em0450 is set a around 7-8 (im told you need to play around as grinders differ)

    Also the espresso tastes good. What do you think? Is it possible to get a good shot from a cheap machine? If so do people go more expensive for the added reliability or consistency? Has anyone else done this?








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    Re: Modified em4800 with em0450 grinder - great!!!


    Hi  EspressoNewt and welcome to CS.

    "Has anyone else done this?" Yes! Many snobs have started their coffee journey on a small sunbeam. I started on an EM4800C & EM0480 with krups un-pressurised baskets. The result was good and for me consistent. The espresso was nice, although there is always room for improvement . With the time it took to heat the milk it was lovely and glossy making art that much easier.

    The reason people upgrade apart from becoming a snob, getting addicted and always wanting more are... well I’m not sure because that is what happens to most around here! ;D Ive been a snob member for just over a year and in under that time upgraded. I now own an EM6910, Mazzer SJ timer, Pullman tamper & roast my own beans. Compared to lots of snobs that would be seen as a slow progression! :-?

    20kg force? What tamper are you using? Surely not the SB supplied... Perhaps you should try it on a scale and let us know. You might surprise yourself and it’s less than you think.

    All the best.


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    • #3
      Re: Modified em4800 with em0450 grinder - great!!!

      Id agree with you on the cheaper stuff being able to poke out some good coffee.

      Ive been using a borrowed Breville Cafe Roma, chopping spice grinder (shock horror), even still have the pressurised baskets.

      I can pull a decent shot that puts an average cafe to shame most of the time.


      I think where the cheaper equipment falls down is like what you suggested:

      1. Quality is not as good as the good cafes.

      2. Consistency hard to achieve.

      3. Good equipment will last forever.

      4. Your always thinking "If this is what I can do with this piece of crap... Imagine what I could do with a real machine" (Well I do anyway.

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        Re: Modified em4800 with em0450 grinder - great!!!

        Hey,

        Ive got an EM4800C as well - had it about 3 monts, and so far have been quite happy with the coffee I can produce using all the standard bits. Im using a Delonghi grinder (dont remember model number).
        Anyway - the seal is now showing wear - have to tighen group head handle past the middle position, and have had a blow out on a pre-heat.

        Im wondering if I should go to the Krups basket and seal - and if so, where in Adelaide (or surrounds) do I go to get the bits?  And do I need to modify any other bits on my machine to make it work?

        I have been getting pucks that are generally moist, but not soggy (well, sometimes) - will changing to the Krups basket improve this?
        Sorry for the newbie question - but why does this make it a better shot?

        Thanks.

        Matt

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        • #5
          Re: Modified em4800 with em0450 grinder - great!!!

          Originally posted by EspressoNewt link=1199980798/0#0 date=1199980798
          I got a Krups filter basket and a Krups group head seal for about $20 bucks all up.
          Ive got an EM4800 as well and would like to know where I can get these Krups bits. $20, hey? Sounds worthwhile. Anyone know of a place in Sydney on the north side?

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          • #6
            Re: Modified em4800 with em0450 grinder - great!!!

            Id also be interested to know where I can get these Krups bits - Im in Brisbania!

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            • #7
              Re: Modified em4800 with em0450 grinder - great!!!

              Hey lauraemily, list of Krups service centres attached... Might be worth a mod relocating this to a sticky (or an FAQs page?), it seems to get requested reasonably often...

              I think the service centres set their own prices; I was quoted $20 but only charged $8.20 for the double basket.

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                Re: Modified em4800 with em0450 grinder - great!!!

                Do you have aprt number for the Group head seal??

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                • #9
                  Re: Modified em4800 with em0450 grinder - great!!!

                  Hi all, longtime lurker, finally registered!

                  I got a Krups double basket for my EM4800C a couple of months ago, best thing I ever did.......

                  I have rung and ordered the seal mentioned above, as I was geeting seal blowouts regardless of the tamp pressure - the seal must be squashed flat as I can push the group head handle all the way till it stops, and it isnt very tight.

                  I rang the Adelaide number above and even without the part number was able to order the Krups seal. (I hope it turns up alright.....)

                  The guy at the service centre said the Krups and SB seals look exactly the same; when I get it in the mail Ill addd the part number for future reference.

                  Enjoy your coffees, whether white, black, tall or short!

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                    Re: Modified em4800 with em0450 grinder - great!!!

                    I ordered mine today. Will wait and see if they need a part number for the Group Head Seal. I will await the information with interest.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Modified em4800 with em0450 grinder - great!!!

                      Ordered the seal yesterday, got it today..... put it in and produced the longest pour time yet!

                      All the anguish over trying to get the grind right and now it seems it was the seal more than anything.

                      FYI - the seal part number is MS-620342 - Brewhead Seal.

                      If I bought the EM4800C again, the first thing I would do is replace the basket (double only) and the seal.

                      Cheers!

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                        Re: Modified em4800 with em0450 grinder - great!!!

                        I ordered mine yesterday should get it in a month or two due to the donkey carrying it from Melbourne to Cairns. [smiley=evil.gif] [smiley=evil.gif]

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                          Re: Modified em4800 with em0450 grinder - great!!!

                          Sounds like its worth shopping around for the Krups brewhead seal and the double basket. I rang one place here in Brissy and was told $7.95 for the seal and $39.05 for the basket!!  

                          Rang a different branch of the same company and was told $7.60 for the seal and $15.30 for the basket! Now thats more like it! (Cept now I have to go to the other side of town to pick it up   )

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                            Re: Modified em4800 with em0450 grinder - great!!!

                            I am still waiting - nearly 2 months. I think I need to look for a new supplier >

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                              Re: Modified em4800 with em0450 grinder - great!!!

                              Stan, if you havent handed over the money yet, cancel the order and order your parts from Ellis Electrical in Dandenong. I live in Sydney and they posted it the same day. $12 for the baskets and $5 for the seal with $10 for postage. It was amusing - I called up and told them I was after some baskets for my Sunbeam machine - the guy knew exactly what I was after without any more info... that I wanted Krups parts, etc. I guess he gets a few calls.

                              I had previously placed an order with my local appliance repairer (Metrowide in Hornsby, NSW) after they advised me it would be in my hands within a week... I gave up after a month of waiting without any info from them advising of delays.

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