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    Hello all,

    I bought a Breville Ikon BES400 machine today and cant wait to give it a go (once I have bought a unpressurised basket).

    A few questions (and yes, I have done a few searches!).

    - "Best" replacement basket, unpressurised. I am leaning towards the Krups double.
    - "Good" grinder. I am aware how important a grinder BUT I am not spending more than $200 atm. Sunbeam 0480?
    - To remove/or not remove the froth "enhancer"?
    - Tamper; I would like a Pullman...
    - Is the accompanying jug/pitcher OK?

    I am coming from a old Delonghi with a very simple grinder, which cant froth milk at all well. Any other tips would be awesome. Cheers.

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    Re: Breville BES400

    The best unpressurised basket is the Breville one--with the bottom cut off. There are threads here that give more details.

    The Sunbeam 0480 should do well, as should the 0450. I use a Kyocera hand mill with good results in a work Ikon.

    Just pull the enhancer off (its a slip fit) and put it in a drawer somewhere. (Dont worry about which drawer--odds are itll never come out. ;D)

    Greg

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    • #3
      Re: Breville BES400

      I love the jug that comes with the Ikon...Its the one I reach for first...

      Ssshhh, dont tell the other CSs here but I usually keep the froth enhancer on because it increases the length of the steam wand and we all love froth in my house.

      We have the sunbeam EMO 480...it was $185 at Retravision.

      We have drilled several large holes in the bottom of one of our baskets and also have plans to hike on out to the breville spare parts shop and get another non-pressurised filter (apparently about $15 in Perth) there is a thread that details exactly which basket/cup to get.

      Tamper....I have one from Bombora coffee parts as they supply parts a local shop in my area and it fits my Ikon...its a generic branded stainless steel 51mm (my original Ikon basket is a smidge bigger than 51mm)...a 52mm almost fits and probably would have been a better choice if I could have waited for someone to shave 1/2 a mm off it.

      All you need now is to take delivery of some fabulous fresh beans and you are ready to brew.

      Enjoy your new machine...I find the Ikon is a great learners machine, even my 14yr old son can make coffee with it!.

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      • #4
        Re: Breville BES400

        With regards to frothing milk:

        1) I dont use the froth enhancer - works well and easier to clean without it.

        2) I use a 12 oz Rattleware pitcher - the milk swirls around and textures much better in the narrower pitcher than the one supplied with the Ikon. Also has a narrower spout for pouring than the ikon. You can definitely achieve good microfoam with the narrower pitcher. With the wider pitcher I had trouble incorporating the foam into the milk at times.

        Tamper:
        1) Im using a cheap Terrys Tamper, which fits okay. But a pullman would be sweet!! LOL!

        Filter basket:
        1) The krups has a funny funnel shape , and the holes are somewhat larger. But most people seem to be happy with it.

        2) Cutting out the bottom of the Breville dual wall filter with a dremel - Im going to try that this week - I hear it works better.

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        • #5
          Re: Breville BES400

          Thanks everyone.

          In regards to the baskets, a guy at work has a Dremel I might be able to borrow.

          Is there any particular grind setting (using the 0480) people on here swear by with the BES400?

          I am undecided on the jug...

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          • #6
            Re: Breville BES400

            The jug at work has disappeared--I just use a big mug.

            Greg

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            • #7
              Re: Breville BES400

              I have a BES820 which uses the same GH as the 800
              I replaced the double basket with the Bar Italia ESP 4/51 1-2 cup non- pressurised basket. It fits into the spring well so it doesnt fall out when knocking out the puck.

              I used a dremel to take off the bottom of the supplied baskets as well.
              You have to cut around the base leaving a couple of mm of base there to stop the inside basket from popping through under the pressure of the water. It is only a press fit into the outer piece.
              There is only a mm or 2 between the bottom and the perforated basket so be very careful when cutting.

              After I did mine I saw a method on a thread here whereby you pressed up from the bottom of the basket pushing the press fitted perforated piece out before cutting the bottom out and then pressing the piece back in. This method would be far easier and safer IMO.

              As for the grinder setting, too many variables make each one slightly or significantly different. Just start in the middle and try a shot, it doesnt take that long to dial it in. (unless it wont go fine enough and then you nedd to get some spacers to put under the centre burr to close up the gap). If the shot is pulling too fast dial left, if too slow dial right. Trial and error!!!

              Have fun

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              • #8
                Re: Breville BES400

                Originally posted by 647F7660636E170 link=1251016709/6#6 date=1251754477
                I have a BES820 which uses the same GH as the 800
                I replaced the double basket with the Bar Italia ESP 4/51 1-2 cup non- pressurised basket. It fits into the spring well so it doesnt fall out when knocking out the puck.

                I used a dremel to take off the bottom of the supplied baskets as well.
                You have to cut around the base leaving a couple of mm of base there to stop the inside basket from popping through under the pressure of the water. It is only a press fit into the outer piece.
                There is only a mm or 2 between the bottom and the perforated basket so be very careful when cutting.

                After I did mine I saw a method on a thread here whereby you pressed up from the bottom of the basket pushing the press fitted perforated piece out before cutting the bottom out and then pressing the piece back in. This method would be far easier and safer IMO.

                As for the grinder setting, too many variables make each one slightly or significantly different. Just start in the middle and try a shot, it doesnt take that long to dial it in. (unless it wont go fine enough and then you nedd to get some spacers to put under the centre burr to close up the gap). If the shot is pulling too fast dial left, if too slow dial right. Trial and error!!!

                Have fun
                Yeah i got this basket as well with the 0450 grinder which has the same internal parts as the 0480 and have issues getting the creme and a good extraction. It looked a lot better when i had the pressurised one and i know that was fake creme but am i doing something wrong here?

                Ive played around with the grind settings, im using campos beans (so great quality) and tamping with a differnet amount of force each time to see if that makes a diff but yeah the coffee comes out looking very light instead of the dark with thick crema.

                Any suggestions would be appreciated !

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                • #9
                  Re: Breville BES400

                  o and i also have teh BES400

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                  • #10
                    Re: Breville BES400

                    Originally posted by 595B405F485D4C5948474E290 link=1251016709/7#7 date=1251943064
                    Any suggestions would be appreciated !  
                    I would suggest starting with checking yor dosing level.
                    Dose and tamp using about 10-15kg then place a 5c piece on top of your puck. Lock the GH in and then take back out. You should be able to see a slight indentation where the coin has pressed into the puck. This isnt a great method on my machine as my BES820 has a concave shower screen but it should give you some idea. A really soggy puck usually meant that I underdosed mine, although I never got as dry a pucks as I do on my Sunbeam 6910 (1 of the reasons I upgraded)

                    Then time your shots and go for about 60ml in 25secs (using the double basket) from the time you hit the pump button.
                    If too fast then grind finer or too slow grind coarser.

                    Your dosing, distributing and tamping technique will all contribute to more consistancy throughout the shot.
                    Just remember you are trying to create a puck that is consistant in density and height so that water flows evenly through without finding chanels to get through more easily.

                    I dont know your beans, but I home roast and find a noticeable reduction in crema during a couple of weeks of drinking.
                    So freshness of the beans if paramount IMO.
                    Make sure the beans have a roasted date on them and hopefully not more than 2 weeks old.

                    Best of luck!!!

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                    • #11
                      Re: Breville BES400

                      I managed to carefully cut the bottom out with a dremel.  Never used a dremel in my life, but it is simple enough to do if done slowly.  The basket is better than the Krups as it fits more coffee, and has a flat bottom to tamp.

                      I think the small jug does make a difference, the bigger breville jug works as well but requires better positioning to get the whirlpool going.

                      With the smaller jug, I have been able to improve my milk texturing significantly with practice.

                      http://www.flickr.com/photos/49228409@N00/3888882664/
                      http://www.flickr.com/photos/49228409@N00/3858265408/

                      Have fun with your new Ikon BES400!!  

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                      • #12
                        Re: Breville BES400

                        Nice work there spoke!..
                        So are you using a smaller jug than the supplied Breville one?...I find the supplied one is pretty good size for a 300ml Latte which fits my current fave coffee mug. I have never actually measured the capacity of the breville jug...

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                        • #13
                          Re: Breville BES400

                          A 300 ml latté?????

                          Wassamata?? -- dont you like coffee?? ;D

                          Greg
                          my lattés top out at 100 ml--from a double ristretto

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                          • #14
                            Re: Breville BES400

                            Originally posted by 47726567576F726D616C64000 link=1251016709/12#12 date=1252128740
                            my lattés top out at 100 ml--from a double ristretto
                            Well.... Thats not really a Latte mate

                            Mal.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Breville BES400

                              If you are a Latte fan then of course its the perfect size...it goes perfectly with a double shot...
                              A 100ml latte, thats hardly worth the effort of sdteaming the milk ...that would be a strong and very dark Latte...I wonder what it should be called?...

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