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  • ECM Veneziano A1 Your Thoughts and Recommendations

    The Time has come for us to upgrade.

    The chosen unit that I want will be the ECM Veneziano A1

    Looks and having a 2.5 litre boiler and a 2.9 litre tank and the availability of it being easily plumbed in have made it the machine of choice. However at $4250 RRP it hurts but we have been offerd 10% off this so the $3825 is a little better. A 2nd hand unit (demo) was sold earlier this year for $2400

    Now this is where you come in....

    1. what have you heard about these units
    2. what are your thoughts about these units
    3. what would you pay for a 2nd hand unit
    4. do you know where I can get a great deal

    Many thanks in advance

    FB

  • #2
    Re: ECM Veneziano A1 Your Thoughts and Recommendat

    Ive seen it for sale retail for $3,865 without a discount.

    Ill let the experts comment on it but I reckon it has to be one of the best machines out there. It is a commercial machine that you can use at home, basically. I dont know how you could get a better one in a small package like that and one that lookes as good as that. If you can afford it buy it. You will not be sorry, that is for sure.

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    • #3
      Re: ECM Veneziano A1 Your Thoughts and Recommendat

      Id contact John Doyle. I think hes got one on the bench in his kitchen.

      They sure are pretty. Id also take a look at this thread http://www.coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1121808257    Lots of shiney stainless to keep clean.

      IMHO Really nice machine.

      -Stephen-

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      • #4
        Re: ECM Veneziano A1 Your Thoughts and Recommendat

        You have chosen a very nice machine FB.

        In terms of your question, please allow me to offer the following observations.

        Veneziano I understand, is 1 group electronic controlled machine with a 2.5 litre boiler, and stunning looks.

        This makes it basically, if you & others will permit the analogy, a slightly bigger and electronic version/ brother to the Giotto and other machines in the smaller sized "semi-commercial" market category.

        The prices that have been quoted above both by you and by others may well be correct but they seem unbelievable in terms of the two sentences immediately above, purely from an importer - vendor - service provider & Sponsor to this site perspective.

        Its a lovely machine in its entirety but what I think the Veneziano offers above all else, is great looks.

        So  purely for academic purposes, I wish to advise the Forum that in terms of straight coffee making capacity/performance there are machines around for a much lower prices, with many times the capacity. For example, my own company has what we call a 1 group "compact" espresso machine.

        It has a 7 litre boiler capacity, electronic / volumetric control, electric motor & rotary / impeller water pump, fully commercial water connection (not the kind of connection supplied for machines with vibrating solenoid pumps). And its the same "old" thermocycling E61 group that just keeps on keeping on.

        We sell it for $3300.00.

        The same machine in semi automatic form (rather than electronic / volumetric), we sell for around $2900.00.

        Both the above are RRP to anyone coming in off the street, before any kind of CoffeeSnobs discount is deducted.

        Others have machines competing in similar market sectors.

        These are work horses and as such dont have the look of the Veneziano, just rectangular stainless steel bodies. On the other hand with a 7 litre as compared to a 2.5 litre boiler for a far lesser price they offer a different level of capacity/ performance.

        Depends on what the individual is looking for.

        So, looks VS capacity/performance VS budget.....that covers points 2 & 4 of your question. Hope this helps with your, and others decision making processes.

        Regardz,
        FC.

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        • #5
          Re: ECM Veneziano A1 Your Thoughts and Recommendat

          FC

          Many Thanks.

          Yes I do realize that there are other machines on the market that offer the same if not more for less money. Unfortunately where I live the selection of machines avail is well how do  iput it.....Dismal.

          I had been looking for something that would also suit our kitchen and basically the ECM was standing heads and shoulders above the rest; however I have to say here that the competition was incredible. I visited your web site a great deal and also many others. This is why it has been so hard.

          Our Boema twin we now have is on 24/7 and 12.5 liters of water is constantly being kept heated... ouch!!

          We constantly hear this machine is good this one isnt etc, and as to getting info from Choice magazine...(would you like instant with that? would have been an even greater joke. So the running around and searching for reviews from a heap of sites led me to the conclusion that these machines all had their good points and bad points. So the next thing for us to concentrate on was the following;

          E61 group head,
          Decent sized boiler 2.0L + (We didnt want much bigger or smaller due to heat up times etc)
          Decent sized heating element
          volumetric control
          Non-Vibra-pump
          Commercial pump
          Plumbing in option
          Internal tank in case we go away
          Spare parts availability
          Aesthetically pleasing

          I was still at a loss and the ECM seemed to be the pick of the bunch, but that price tag worried the heck out of me, its a lot of money. However the decision is made and yes FC there are other machines out there and yes there will certainly be something that will either be better or cheaper, but that is always the course of history and this is the risk we take. However out of the two units we seriously looked at, Diadema and ECM the ECM has hit the top for what we actually want, however that being said the Diadema we looked at came in incredibly close to being chosen.
          Having a service agent withing a reasonable distance would not have ever been an issueas there arent any close by except for Sydney or Canberra.

          So alas we had to make a choice. So I suppose I can still change my mind untill I pick up the ECM, but I would say that it is going to be the ECM in the long run.

          But if any of you have any ideas or thoughts please let me know, Im open for your thoughts. (Tis a foolish man who closes his mind to the thoughts of others)

          Many thanks


          FB

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          • #6
            Re: ECM Veneziano A1 Your Thoughts and Recommendat

            FB

            the A1

            great machine.

            we have an A1 and its a great unit. Unlimited power.

            total pro machine. ours is plumbed at home.

            had it 1 year-nothing touched or tweaked at all. (gasket)

            it looks stunning, all stainless helps. easy to clean etc.

            electronic dosing is the only way to go, once you have it you dont go back.

            my partner was a barista in France for 4 years and loves the machine also.

            i too did research. all these pro machines under the hood are similar.

            but stick with a brand and parts etc are always there.

            i too looked at others but some machines i think are down right ugly. and i dont want them in my kitchen. thats everybodys personal opinion though, but im not alone there. maybe a poll on ugly machines would be good. like cars looks do matter to me, but if they dont you can get cheaper similar machines.........................

            FB a demo A1 for $2400 well thats amazing. i paid a very good price for mine but a lot more than 2400.00 I can only assumed it was marked //scratched.....etc as that truly is a great price for a demo.

            We have just bought an elektra T1 electronic for our office. 6litre boiler, plumb in only.

            i think i want it in the home too, its amazing.

            good luck on your A1 purchase.

            i would think second hand $3000 or so minimum if its in perfect condition....but i would go for a new one and get your 10 percent. I wouldnt think many second hand units are around as my friend has one also and no one would sell as its not a machine you really need to upgrade from if its for home ////office use..

            really a great buy .

            cheers

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            • #7
              Re: ECM Veneziano A1 Your Thoughts and Recommendat

              As mentioned to FB on the phone, if you can find a new A1 for 3850 or thereabouts, I would grab it. Just check to see it has not fallen of the back of a truck.
              The RRP of the A1 is now about $4470. So a 10% discount brings it in around the $4000. Still not a bad price.
              I have had one on my kitchen bench now for the past year and it has not missed a bean or should I say a beat. My A1 is in immaculate condition and has only ever bean used on softened and then carbon filtered water. I am sure it would have zero scale build up on any part of the machine.
              THe A1 would be hard to beat in the home. Apart from looking pretty damn good, it will pump out great espresso all day long. Oh and it is right up there in the milk texturing department as well. Not to mention it has a 10 amp plug.
              My machine has bean offered to FB. My reason for selling is quite simple, I need to make room for one of the original Faema E61s I just purchased.
              I was fortunate to be offered a set of original Faema E61s, that is a 1, 2, 3 and 4 group. All have bean restored. They look pretty awsome.
              If anybody is interested in a bit of history on their bench, I could be tempted to sell one of them!!!
              John

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              • #8
                Re: ECM Veneziano A1 Your Thoughts and Recommendat

                I was fortunate to be offered a set of original Faema E61s, that is a 1, 2, 3 and 4 group. All have bean restored. They look pretty awsome.
                Sounds like an awesome aquisition there Pinot!! Ive always admired the look of them.

                Java "Youre making me want new toys!" phile
                Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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                • #9
                  Re: ECM Veneziano A1 Your Thoughts and Recommendat

                  The $2400 paid for the A1 to me was also an amazing price. However I must admit that I cannot confirm this to be true, the review of the A1 was on C..Geek.

                  However the decision is made and hopefully in the next week or so Ill be visiting Pinot (aka John Doyle) and hopefully I will be installing our A1 by the end of the day... :-)

                  As I had said Earlier there is so much to choose from but a decision has been made.

                  John as made an offer that is quite generouse and I think I would be foolish to pass it up.....

                  Will all things concidered I think that if one wants a machine that is going to be there for a long long time one must be willing to invest in quality right from the word go........

                  John you lucky man... you have scored a nice family group of Faemas...... These were on our shopping list as well....

                  See you soon....... It was nice to see a pick of the machine with Pinot as well...... Many thanks for the Photo Andy....http://coffeesnobs.com.au/attachments/aroma1661.JPG



                  Dont you just love new toys!!!!!!!
                  The difference between Boys and men are the price of their toys........ ahhhh Yup... GUILTY as charged ;D

                  FB

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                  • #10
                    Re: ECM Veneziano A1 Your Thoughts and Recommendat

                    Frenchbean

                    i have read the review of the A1 on geek and PM ed the owner some months back.


                    She did pay 2400 but 2400 US dollars. being a US website the review etc was done in US dollars and even at that price she admitted for reasons disclosed it was a bargain...................but she loves it..........



                    ANYWAY dear pinot

                    love to see one the the old faema ,s too

                    could a pm or photo of them and price for a 1 or 2 group be sent to me........

                    thanks

                    marc

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                    • #11
                      Re: ECM Veneziano A1 Your Thoughts and Recommendat

                      FB,

                      gosh yes, there are so many machines around, and many of them execellent performers.

                      Good luck with your new toy, you WILL enjoy it.

                      Regardz,
                      FC.

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                      • #12
                        Re: ECM Veneziano A1 Your Thoughts and Recommendat

                        I looked at the Veneziano for quite a while before and after buying my Giotto and came to the conclusion that you are paying a hell of a lot primarily for drop dead gorgeous looks.

                        In terms of features and performance I think you can get more for less, but then it wouldnt look as cool on the kitchen sink. 8-)

                        Congrats on the new toy.

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                        • #13
                          Re: ECM Veneziano A1 Your Thoughts and Recommendat

                          Originally posted by Wired link=1121947091/0#11 date=1122427256
                          I looked at the Veneziano for quite a while before and after buying my Giotto and came to the conclusion that you are paying a hell of a lot primarily for drop dead gorgeous looks.

                          In terms of features and performance I think you can get more for less, but then it wouldnt look as cool on the kitchen sink.  8-)
                          You might!  But in the case of Giotto vs Veneziano you are getting less for less.  The Veneziano is not only a better looking machine but it has more features and is even more commercial grade inside.  

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                          • #14
                            Re: ECM Veneziano A1 Your Thoughts and Recommendat

                            Originally posted by Monti link=1121947091/0#12 date=1122431629
                            You might! But in the case of Giotto vs Veneziano you are getting less for less. The Veneziano is not only a better looking machine but it has more features and is even more commercial grade inside.
                            Agreed. I wasnt comparing the Veneziano to the Giotto, rather to other similarly featured machines as per FCs comments.

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                            • #15
                              Re: ECM Veneziano A1 Your Thoughts and Recommendat

                              I was thinking about a Veneziano A1 at one stage. I like the idea of a commercial machine (in particular the rotary pump) that could run off a tank or be plumbed in. Cerebos in NZ sells them more cheaply than Australian vendors. Just another one of those pricing anomolies I suspect.

                              In the end I have settled on a dual boiler (Reneka Techno) as I think HX at home is probably not for me and if I get on my high horse probably not ideal for any low volume use (at least if it is a commercial HX machine but the same applies to most domestics).

                              If it wasnt Techno then Id also be lining up for a Veneziano A1. Good choice in my view.

                              Looked for info on them and opinions for a month or two. Found little to nothing.

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