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    Hey guys thinking about buying this machine as a long term project (my first oh i feel so giddy) only have 2 photos, was wondering what the likes of Sparky, javab and robusto could tell me about her? Any input would be warmly welcome ;D

    are those bits i circled the heat exchanges welded onto the boiler, i interested cause i have nerver seen a boiler like this

    oh and this is it from the outside not very pretty i know but i can fix that

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    Looks a beauty -- nickle-plated copper? Or stainless?

    What you have circled are the heat exchangers which--judging by the angle of the photo at least--- appear to terminate directly into the groups without a reduction. I cant say Im familiar with that.

    Normaly the exchangers connect with the groups through much smaller pipes, whose size and length "tunes" heat retention in the groups.

    Why do you say its a long-term project? Does it need much work?

    --Robusto

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      um the reason i say it a long term project is that im quite busy atm the moment and being uni student im a bit straped for cash so any thing that need to be replaced i will have to save for . I took another look at the photos and in the second one it appears that there is quite a bit of distance between the exchanger and the group so maybe there is a reducer in there. Im not sure if its stainless or nickel coated these pics are all i have to go on. But coffeeparts stocks parts for these so id say im gonna grab this one.

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        Oh and its a 21l boiler rated at 4.8Kw made in 1994.

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        • #5
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          Segrave,

          That machine looks to be in superb condition - I dont think it would require much work at all....

          You are right about the heat exchangers..... they do appear to be welded which Ive never seen before.... The La Cimbali has a similar heat exchanger (like a small boiler which projects into the main boiler rather than tubes) - but that has a bolted union onto the actual group..... so you can undo the bolts and replace the heat exchanger if required.

          Do you have any details of the make etc? There appears to be a plate on the left hand end of the drip tray.

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          • #6
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            I just emailed the current owner and they got back to me almost instantly with a pic of the plate

            he did say the machine had a lot of cosmetic damage which im sure i can fix

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            • #7
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              I think your biggest problem will be supplying power to it. Very few households have anything above a 10 amp power point, and youll need at least double that. So its a dedicated circuit back to the meter box -- and that could be your most costly expense.

              But it looks to be in great condition - hopefully you wont have to pay the price for it accordingly. I was going to say three-groupers
              are farily cheap because theres not much demand for them for domestic use.... but Dennis yesterday, you today...

              --Robusto

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                Segrave,

                The good news is that CoffeeParts do have spares for these machines - but not a huge range......

                There is not a lot of info I could find on them..... but that is not unusual for other than the most common machines.

                The condition does appear to be excellent..... so I doubt you would need much in any case.

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                • #9
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                  i was thinking if it was a setup with more than one element maybe i could cut down the power demand but running it at a lower rating. if not then i got to do what i got to do. :P

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                    Originally posted by Segrave link=1175577767/0#8 date=1175581384
                    i was thinking if it was a setup with more than one element maybe i could cut down the power demand but running it at a lower rating. if not then i got to do what i got to do. :P
                    Yep, all commercials have three elements (in the one assembly).... so you can use just one..... will take longer to heat up but will enable you to use it on a "normal" power outlet.

                    It will be good to see yet another commercial machine going to a good home.

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                    • #11
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                      Hi Seagrave - if youre in Brissie that will save you $100 delivery costs. If youve not bid before, pm me and I might be able to give you some tips on winning

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                        You beat me to it. I was just about to suggest it was a Brugnetti.

                        It looks interesting. Im not sure how the heat exchangers are fitted. There are quite a few wierd and wonderful designs around. Anyway, just pulling it apart and having a look inside should reveal all. Its definitely a nickel plated copper boiler. Not many manufacturers use stainless steel.

                        Its hard to tell how good or bad a machine is until you open it up. Old coffee machines are like old men, they may look okay on the outside, but inside can easily be a different story.

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                          Originally posted by robusto link=1175577767/0#6 date=1175581147
                          But it looks to be in great condition - hopefully you wont have to pay the price for it accordingly.  I was going to say three-groupers
                          are farily cheap because theres not much demand for them for domestic use.... but Dennis yesterday, you today...

                          --Robusto
                          Yep, 3 gr machines are beyond the pale... I got a 3 gr only to pull apart and reconfigure into a franken machine with a different brewing method for each group. But thats because Im mad.

                          I actually think Robustos machine is about the max Id really want in a home situation ie. a 5l boiler and 2 groups is pretty nice (still overkill, but nice overkill).

                          But here we are in the extreme machine category.... ahhh it feels good to be extreme. ;D

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                            Originally posted by Sparky link=1175577767/0#12 date=1175583820
                            But here we are in the extreme machine category.... ahhh it feels good to be extreme. ;D
                            Yep, if you are going to do something - do it with flair....

                            And this is about the only "extreme" sport / hobby Im game to undertake at my stage of life. ;D ;D ;D

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                              ps. Seagrave - even the showercreens look to be in good order - seems like youll need to focus on the looks and find, or have made, a side panel for it.

                              Sperky, Robusto et al. - looky here...mama mia! I think the Griswalds have one of these...

                              Sphera 4 Group
                              # Heavy duty machine
                              # 6000 Watts
                              # Boiler 22 litres
                              # Large capacity copper boiler
                              # heat exchangers with high heating capacity, drain tap in accessible position, new anti-suction valve
                              # Dimensions: 1210mm (W) x 540mm (H) x 560mm (D)

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