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    Hi all,

    Am deciding between the LM FB80 (added with WBC extras- light/ flow restrictor) and the following Faemas..

    1) Faema Enova 2 Group Auto Steam
    2) Faema Stylema 2 Group Auto Steam
    3) Faema E98 Basic 2 Group Semi-Auto

    Any comments? I need it for my cafe but require more justification to fork out that kinda money for the LM baby. Would it be worth paying like 30% more for the LM as compared to getting the Enova?

    Would appreciate any response. Thanks!

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    Re: LM FB80 vs Faema

    Isnt the LM a 3 group?

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    • #3
      Re: LM FB80 vs Faema

      According to the veneziano website they come in a 2, 3 and 4 group.

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      • #4
        Re: LM FB80 vs Faema

        yup I am looking at the 2 group machine..

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        • #5
          Re: LM FB80 vs Faema

          answer this question:
          do you want a HX machine or a dual boiler machine?

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          • #6
            Re: LM FB80 vs Faema

            I wanted a dual-boiler which is why I was eyeing the LM... But for some reason the distributor for Faema told me that it was a dual-boiler as well? Err could someone pls confirm this? Is the Faema just a HX machine ?

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            • #7
              Re: LM FB80 vs Faema

              Dont get hung up on buzzwords. A good HX is better than a bad DB just like a good DB is better than a bad HX. DB isnt necessarily better than HX just because its all modern and high-tech. I doubt many would pick the flavour difference between espresso from one or the other.

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              • #8
                Re: LM FB80 vs Faema

                Mate - to be honest I love my FAEMA Due 2 group - 11 litre boiler 1995 model. Very forgiving and produces amazing results. I cannot compare side by side with a DB for you. I can say that it is very easy to get parts for, to work on, and is built like a brick outhouse.

                Cheers

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                • #9
                  Re: LM FB80 vs Faema

                  What a strange topic. I only opened this thread up because of its unique thread name....

                  Originally posted by 4550474552574E4E4F434C220 link=1236529819/6#6 date=1236817992
                  Dont get hung up on buzzwords. A good HX is better than a bad DB just like a good DB is better than a bad HX. DB isnt necessarily better than HX just because its all modern and high-tech. I doubt many would pick the flavour difference between espresso from one or the other.
                  The FB80 offers clarity in espresso that I have never experienced before. It highlights as much bad characteristics as it does the good. i.e if the coffee is bad or if you just made a bad shot, youll know about it.

                  I find HX machines cannot offer this clarity of flavour, which is not necessarily a bad thing, just different!! HX machine in general compared to an FB80 will pull an espresso with a richer body and more forgiving than an FB80 ever will be.

                  Is your cafe already operating? Take the coffee you will be running and do a tasting on each machine, tweaking both machines. For the Faema, it will be the pressurestat and flushing times. For the LM, it will be changing the temp set points. Dial each machine in so that youre getting the best espresso you can get out of it....them compare. Which ever one tastes better in your eyes should probably be the one you should pick.

                  Comments?

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                  • #10
                    Re: LM FB80 vs Faema

                    I drink flat whites mostly but have the occasional espresso to judge how my home roasted coffee compares.

                    The espressos I have had have mostly been made by well known and well respected people in the industry.

                    I havent had an espresso from a Faema, but can say that the best one Ive ever had was made on an FB80.

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                    • #11
                      Re: LM FB80 vs Faema

                      I can honestly say that the LM based coffees that I have had from a well known west end coffee shop known for on site roasting are not better than that of my FAEMA using either bought roast or home roast.  I had a Sicilian mate with me the other day who fancies himself as an coffeesnob and he made the comment that it wasnt as yummy as my coffees at home (and my wife and I think likewise - but perhaps that beside the point)...but I think the point that David makes is right.  The LM produces some more brightness or clarity in shots but the FAEMA does consistently yummy shots....sweet and rich and still has quite a lot of clarity, but not as much...its also more forgiving I suspect because of this.  But in the end what David says must be right surely....do some tasting which each and work out what suits your pallet the best.

                      Cheers

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                      • #12
                        Re: LM FB80 vs Faema

                        Originally posted by 3722262422282124262C22470 link=1236529819/0#0 date=1236529819
                        Hi all,

                        Am deciding between the LM FB80 (added with WBC extras- light/ flow restrictor) and the following Faemas..

                        1) Faema Enova 2 Group Auto Steam
                        2) Faema Stylema 2 Group Auto Steam
                        3) Faema E98 Basic 2 Group Semi-Auto

                        Any comments? I need it for my cafe but require more justification to fork out that kinda money for the LM baby. Would it be worth paying like 30% more for the LM as compared to getting the Enova?

                        Would appreciate any response. Thanks!
                        Why arent you comparing apples with apples? It looks like you are looking for every possible way to make your LM more expensive and then complaining that it is more expensive than a Faema with no such modifications!

                        Restrictors and lights arent really very expensive, but the FB80 shell adds a pretty penny to the GB5, which is internally identical. So why wouldnt you be comparing the GB5 to those other FAEMAs?

                        Cheers,

                        Luca

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                        • #13
                          Re: LM FB80 vs Faema

                          Thanks all for the comments,

                          Luca, just to set the record straight, these are the options I have now and the LM is being offered to me 2nd hand from the distributor with these specs and at a lower rate than a brand new set sans modifications because this was used for 3 days at the barista championships.

                          Honestly im not well-versed with the different coffee machines as yet, but because I get questioned as to WHY the LM instead of a cheaper machine (in this case is the Faemas because it was recommended by another supplier), i need to get an answer or a justification for getting the LM.

                          Further, the quotations I got for the Faema Stylema 2 Group Auto Steam is actually slightly more expensive than the LM FB/80.

                          Cheers

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                          • #14
                            Re: LM FB80 vs Faema

                            Originally posted by 1436302B2C2630430 link=1236529819/8#8 date=1236849708
                            What a strange topic. I only opened this thread up because of its unique thread name....

                            Originally posted by 4550474552574E4E4F434C220 link=1236529819/6#6 date=1236817992
                            Dont get hung up on buzzwords. A good HX is better than a bad DB just like a good DB is better than a bad HX. DB isnt necessarily better than HX just because its all modern and high-tech. I doubt many would pick the flavour difference between espresso from one or the other.
                            The FB80 offers clarity in espresso that I have never experienced before. It highlights as much bad characteristics as it does the good. i.e if the coffee is bad or if you just made a bad shot, youll know about it.

                            I find HX machines cannot offer this clarity of flavour, which is not necessarily a bad thing, just different!! HX machine in general compared to an FB80 will pull an espresso with a richer body and more forgiving than an FB80 ever will be.

                            Is your cafe already operating? Take the coffee you will be running and do a tasting on each machine, tweaking both machines. For the Faema, it will be the pressurestat and flushing times. For the LM, it will be changing the temp set points. Dial each machine in so that youre getting the best espresso you can get out of it....them compare. Which ever one tastes better in your eyes should probably be the one you should pick.

                            Comments?

                            The point I was making was in the context of the retail prices demanded for the machines, and that the FB80 would be significantly more expensive than the Faemas. In that context my point still stands, which was that you dont NEED a FB80 to make good coffee just cos its the Rolls Royce of machines; but thats not to say those with well educated palates wont pick the subtle differences in the cup the FB can bring out or that it wont bring certain improvements over the Faema. The question would just be whether the extra $5k or whatever can be justified. Ive not used one or tasted any shots from one so I wont wax eloquent on a subject in which my experience is limited, but I understand the FB80 is well respected for good reason so you could expect to get excellent results from it, given good beans, technique, equipment, commissioning etc. But it doesnt follow that the Faemas shots will be automatically dreck simply because theyre not from a FB80. Sometimes people get all hung up on a single technology and think it has to be better than anything else which is not automatically the case; thats the only point I was making.

                            However!..., if you can get a FB80 at comparable rates to a Faema I think everyone here would take the FB80 every time. That at least makes your decision a fair bit easier! ;D I dont think theres much the Faema can do that the FB80 cant. Just make sure youve got someone specialised in LMs nearby in case something goes wrong. Theyre not quite as simple to maintain as HX machines and can be expensive when parts do fail.

                            Greg

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                            • #15
                              Re: LM FB80 vs Faema

                              Originally posted by 5643474543494045474D43260 link=1236529819/12#12 date=1236940647
                              Luca, just to set the record straight, these are the options I have now and the LM is being offered to me 2nd hand from the distributor with these specs and at a lower rate than a brand new set sans modifications because this was used for 3 days at the barista championships.
                              If youre paying for the machine up-front, why limit yourself to one supplier? It might be a good idea to contact a few more for quotes. It also might be a good idea to ask what a new GB5 would cost, seeing as if you dont have a preference for the FB80 aesthetics over the GB5 you would go for the GB5. (Actually, with the brushed stainless panels, the GB5 will probably maintain its look for longer than an FB80.)

                              As for comparing the machines; are you able to simply try out the different machines?

                              [QUOTE=5540575542475E5E5F535C320 link=1236529819/13#13 date=1236941625][QUOTE=1436302B2C2630430 link=1236529819/8#8 date=1236849708]
                              Originally posted by 4550474552574E4E4F434C220 link=1236529819/6#6 date=1236817992
                              Just make sure youve got someone specialised in LMs nearby in case something goes wrong. Theyre not quite as simple to maintain as HX machines and can be expensive when parts do fail.
                              What is this comment based on? I have little to no mechanical aptitude and I would actually be relatively comfortable working on a LM if I had to.

                              That said, you raise a very good point in that theres no point buying any machine if you cant get good support for it where you are.

                              Cheers,

                              Luca

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