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  • #16
    Re: Need help choosing the right machine

    Originally posted by 00362D327736440 link=1250739532/28#28 date=1250837585
    So if I was to purchase a coffee machine under 4k that makes the best coffee for its value (i am not talking about full auto), which one would you recommend? If I can have some time each weekend and learn how to make coffee, what could I do with 4k? I hear the grinder plays a key role? in this case, what is good, buying two machines or go for the combined one?(if there is any), or go 2k and 2k? I am off today so had time to look into this and find that you are sure right about the quality of the coffee made from auto machine and since i love my coffee, im gonna take your advice and learn how to make it, atleast for myself!

    Cheers
    Now thats sounding positive!

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    • #17
      Re: Need help choosing the right machine

      DRIV3R, I have a few machines on the bench including grinders that will deliver on your needs.

      Purchases come with training, and I guarantee that youll be able to make a great coffee without the need to attend a barista course. I think youll also be surprised that care, cleaning, and maintenance for this equipment isnt a big deal.

      Feel free to contact me via pm or email and we can arrange a demo.

      Cheers
      Den aka Cuppacoffee

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      • #18
        Re: Need help choosing the right machine

        But dennis that is a barista course - in a way. Just has the benefit of being one on one.

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        • #19
          Re: Need help choosing the right machine

          Originally posted by 032F3C3A272F2211032120252B374E0 link=1250739532/32#32 date=1250845927
          But dennis that is a barista course - in a way. Just has the benefit of being one on one.
          Fair enough...though this one doesnt cost! Im admittedly perplexed to know that some people sell a $2k+ machine then charge to show you how to get a decent coffee out of it.



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          • #20
            Re: Need help choosing the right machine

            Okay, $2.5k on a machine, $1.5k on a grinder (HX machine, Mazzer Super Jolly grinder).

            Suggesting a quick(ish) grinder to save time - the large flat burrs can get down to 2.5 seconds grinding, the smallest ones take up to 35 seconds.

            Routine:

            1) Wash Hands, grab milk jug from upside down on drip tray and put on bench
            2) Flick grinder switch, grinding starts
            3) Grab milk bottle from fridge, turn off grinder. (10 seconds)
            4) Pour milk into jug, grab group handle out of machine.
            5) Thwack doser lever, dispense coffee into group handle
            6) Purge steam arm onto cleaning cloth folded on top of drip tray
            7) Lock in group handle, pull lever up
            8) Steam milk, turn off steam valve, bang jug on bench to settle & let milk rest for 5 seconds while you.
            9) Pull lever down (finish extraction) & put milk back in fridge.
            10) Knock puck out of group handle into bin/knockbox (knockbox is quicker)
            11) Pour milk into coffee & take first sip
            12) Rinse group handle using hot water tap, milk jug using sink, lock into position again and put milk jug upside down on drip tray.

            If youre making 2 singles in this time, youre well up, and youll function better with classy coffee.

            Out of curiousity, is this columbian coffee roasted in columbia?

            cheers,

            John

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            • #21
              Re: Need help choosing the right machine

              You forgot about tamping :P

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              • #22
                Re: Need help choosing the right machine

                Wow! ok, how long is the home brista course?

                Dennis, are your machines big or small in size? I wanna take it home after we finish with the site and put it in my kitchen. If its home size, then great. Also is your shop open on weekends?

                John yes, I can get the one roasted in colombia few days to a week before we get it. Some kind of colombian mild. Its not Kopi Luwak, but it taste and smell great without sugar and milk.

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                • #23
                  Re: Need help choosing the right machine

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                  • #24
                    Re: Need help choosing the right machine

                    Originally posted by 487E657A3F7E0C0 link=1250739532/22#22 date=1250863853
                    Wow! ok, how long is the home brista course?
                    With me, its one-on-one for about an hour.

                    Originally posted by 487E657A3F7E0C0 link=1250739532/22#22 date=1250863853
                    Dennis, are your machines big or small in size? I wanna take it home after we finish with the site and put it in my kitchen. If its home size, then great. Also is your shop open on weekends?
                    Theyre made to fit onto home kitchen benchtops.

                    Were open on Saturdays from 8 till 2 though its pretty hectic till around midday!

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                    • #25
                      Re: Need help choosing the right machine

                      Originally posted by 4B7D66793C7D0F0 link=1250739532/6#6 date=1250772030
                      Greg, taking your point 7 in consideration, is it better to go for cheaper auto machine that does the same thing as Jura Z5? what do you think of Delonghi ESAM3500 then? ($1600)
                      We had both a DeLonghi and a Jura at work--but unfortunately the Jura was a commercial lease and all adjustments were locked (and the beans were stale), so I got better coffee from the DeLonghi and an Aeropress and cant comment on how good the coffee from a Jura *could be*. :

                      We had to clean and manage the DeLonghi by ourselves, and it was about a 15 minute job daily, and 40 minutes weekly. The Jura is cleaned daily for 10-15 minutes and serviced weekly.

                      Both machines have been back to the shop for bench maintenance every 6 months.

                      By choice I would have my home machine every time, but some at work dont care about coffee, and so dont care about coffee equipment or the time it takes to do more than press a button. Some even drink the instant!

                      Greg

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                      • #26
                        Re: Need help choosing the right machine

                        Ok my 2c now! ;D

                        If you MUST have a full atuo machine and then i would go for the Gaggie Platinum.

                        Failing that in i really hope you change your mind... Do a bit of reading..maybe Send you PA to a home barista course and buy a Sunbeam EM6910 and have the personal assisatant make your coffee for you?

                        If your after quuality on a cup for the least amount of work then there is not much we can suggest?!?!? Were all here because were big admirers of quality coffee at our own hands.

                        As for FULL auto machines? For $4k i would want it to change the grind to suit ambient temps, roast and origin of the bean as well as know know what i want before i press the button as well as add sugar for me(if i had sugar)?!?!?

                        YES there is pros for a FULL auto machine...but it will NEVER rival a proper barisas final product and im sure you will be second guessing yourself within days

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                        • #27
                          Re: Need help choosing the right machine

                          Instant coffee! That reminds me of the time I went to US for this big event, they were drinking this liquid they called coffee straight out of kettle. Looked like what you get in your kitchen sink! tasted like Vegemite soup! eeehhhhhhh(sideshow bob impression).

                          Luke I know you and the rest of members here are right about auto machine and the taste of coffee you get from it, and as a coffee lover myself, i truly admire your passion for coffee, hence I decided to learn how to make it myself and put my 4k towards good grinder and machine. I already got few recommendation on brands and also going to meet Dennis hopefully next weekend to see his machines but if you have any brand recommendation for both grinder and machine, please share.


                          Cheers

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                          • #28
                            Re: Need help choosing the right machine

                            Get a machine & grinder with good build quality,reliability and quality finish

                            Open your eyes and see past the shine
                            Be prudent in your decision
                            Get a feel of the machines, all have quirks but one will feel right for you
                            For example see how easy it is to fill the water reservoir and other operations

                            Good luck
                            KK  

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                            • #29
                              Re: Need help choosing the right machine

                              What KK said.

                              The sponsors (generally) will let you have a hands on and this is the best way to decide.

                              If you cant do that--just make the same decisions I did! ;D

                              Greg

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                              • #30
                                Re: Need help choosing the right machine

                                That is great news DRIV3R!!!!

                                As for suggestions? The cheapest i would consider in retrospect of my past purchases is a Sunbeam em6910 with the sometimes free 480 grinder.

                                A step up from that would be the tried and tested Silvia / Rocky grinder combo.

                                And after that your into REAL money machines such as the ECM Rocket and Vibiemmes and grinders like a Mazzer.

                                Whatever it is you buy it will take some getting used to! So get a demo or some sort of a barista course(free with the Sunbeam) and stick with it! Practice makes (nearly) perfect!

                                Good luck DRIV3R!!!

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