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Originally posted by robusto
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Understand your point Robusto, I still don't believe (in most cases) we're being ripped off. -
Yep, it is one of those threads that will never be anything but a fight... hence why all the discussion about imports is going to be in the same thread so people can ignore it if they want. (which worked well for me for 5 pages)Geez, so much waffle on this thread.
Was it the same voltage output?A Japanese Yamaha 2000 generator, Amazon USA $US 990ish. Here, double that.
Certified to the same standards?
It's very costly to get something certified to Australian standards and that cost gets passed on to the buyer in Oz too.
You have to compare the same apples to apples before you can determine the real value.Comment
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Re: Importing espresso machines
Probably not for long. Many Aussie standards are being standardised () with the iso. A lot of them are basically an iso standard with a different front cover.
Of course, then the manufacturer has to meet iso standards...
Fresh_Coffee, Im interested in your claim that internet retailers have no responsibility for warranty. I presume you are talking about international retailers, not Australian registered businesses with an online only presence?Comment
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I am lucky enough to live in a small country town where there is no shop or facility that can support my, growing, interest and joy in all things good coffee. That means I can, without guilt, go online and source all my neeeds, especially from CS sponsors. And I do.
Recently we needed a new vacuum cleaner. Online, delivered free, the one we wanted was $120 cheaper than the local electrical store!
But here,s the rub. The local manager is in charge of the volunteer SES. His employee is a member of our CFA. The money flowing into his business flows back to us in this community. If I and other locals buy the cheapest, elsewhere, his business will eventually close and this community will be the poorer. We bought locally.
Take that example statewide or nationally. Yes in the short run it may be more economical to buy elsewhere and of course availability/type/style etc Can have an influence. My view is not "locked in". But, IMHO, eventually ignoring our own community and not supporting one another will have the effect of turning around and biting us on the bum.Comment
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Fair questions. The Yamaha and Honda are probably two of the world's best portable generators if not THE best for general consumption.
Was it the same voltage output?
Certified to the same standards?
It's very costly to get something certified to Australian standards and that cost gets passed on to the buyer in Oz too.
You have to compare the same apples to apples before you can determine the real value.
Compliance differences I can't say.
But from my extensive research, Americans are just as happy with theirs as we here with ours.
Probably all generators are pre-built to cater for 120V or 240V, by taking a different feed from the windings or using different--but basically identical--inverters. Yes, 50 or 60 hz is also readily catered for.
I would say the actual manufacturing cost for the US and Australian/ European models would be identical.Comment
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Importing espresso machines
Personally I think it goes further than that.
As someone who also lives in a small town I avoid shopping at large supermarket chains wherever possible, preferring local butchers, fruit and veg shops, and farmers markets.
While I understand that Coles and Woolies employ locally, I feel my money more directly supports my community by spending in these ways.
I've bought from site sponsors of here and other places, I've bought from overseas - generally big ticket items are local.
If a machine I particularly wanted wasn't available in this country and it was simple enough that it could be self supported for the most part, I'd get it.
My current machine doesn't fall into the above category. Well, I wanted it in particular, but it's beyond my abilities to support.
It's a gray area fraught with varying levels of risk - there isn't a blanket statement that can be applied across the board.Comment
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I was thinking the same thing.
Would Graeme have still brought locally if the cost saving was far more?
Did Graeme consider himself "ripped off"? I doubt it because the local connection has value to him.
Someone else might only feel like they're supporting the country by buying an Australian made vacuum, someone else not buying a vacuum at all but employing a local cleaner.
It can only be personal judgement.Comment
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Apologies for that comment. Some of your replies on this thread have been extremely caustic and IMO very unhelpful to the discussion. It was easy to give a little back... but wrong of me.Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
I am aware that the earlier R58's were not ideally setup for milk based drinks and you probably did observe this in both machines you saw.
MCM.Comment
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Thought i'd throw this up, red flag or what???
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The local wholesaler/retailer takes compliance responsibility, which is a non-recurrent cost that can be amortised over a much larger number of units in a larger market.Originally posted by robusto View Post
It's illegal to sell a coffee machine in NSW (and presumably in other states) without an Australian approval marking.Comment
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I agree....but you are not necessarily doing him any favours if you dont make him aware of the other price and give him the opportunity to do some kind of deal for you if not match the price. As a trader we dont have a problem with clients that come in and mention (as long as they do it nicely) the box price they can *genuinely* get the same product for elsewhere IN the country. They could have pushed the button on the pooder and bypassed us totally, instead of giving us an opportunity to shift the box ourselves. That's a golden opportunity to make a sale you wouldnt otherwise have made and gain a new client, and often you dont need to match the price because what the client really wants is someone to look after them locally and they will accept a compromise in the dollars to spend.Originally posted by Graeme View Post
If you dont show him and give him the opportunity, thats when he could eventually go out the back door, because not everyone will be as accommodating as you.Comment
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A red flag ? Not really......Rancilio has been asleep at the wheel for a considerable time while all and sundry have been bastardising their product.Originally posted by gingercat777 View PostComment
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it does have the name of a sponsor in the title... someone who might object to their name being used to sell products from overseas.Comment
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It's illegal to sell a coffee machine in NSW (and presumably in other states) without an Australian approval marking.
I don't think it's quite as black and white as that.
As far as I understand...
It's illegal to retail a domestic appliance without approval but it's okay to sell anything private and secondhand without approval.
It's also okay to sell wholesale and to sell commercial product without approval.
These are murky laws at best.
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I'm not sure how well policed they are either. I know Ebay is full of Australian treadmill retailers selling without local c-tick approval. They pump nasty amounts of noise back into the mains and would never be compliant.
European CE compliance means little here because there's no-one here to protect its fraudulent use.
Plus this scam:
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