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  • #16
    Re: Alex Duetto II - 10A or 15A??

    Good to know...

    Mal.

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    • #17
      Re: Alex Duetto II - 10A or 15A??

      Sorry Im confused. Can some one please put this into English?

      From:

      Originally posted by 0924202C214D0 link=1311678166/3#3 date=1311756743
      Anyone who owns one of these machines should contact their local licensed electrician to have a 15Amp circuit installed, if they dont already have one.... Mal.
      to

      From:
      Originally posted by 192C2126120E222B2B28284D0 link=1311678166/14#14 date=1311937536
      Hi bf,

      The Alex Duetto is a classed as a commercial espresso machine.

      Australian spec is a 10A machine and a total of 2400W in elements with priority to the brew boiler. The cord is rated 15A and ships with a 10A plug. Maximum draw is around 1800W.

      Historically, where purchasers have requested a 15A machine, we have supplied one and configured it accordingly requiring the provision of a 15A circuit. A recently revised EU manual does contain information on PID settings but these have been removed in our machines.

      All new stock is 10A configuration and 15A is not available as an option..
      Followed by:

      Originally posted by 0924202C214D0 link=1311678166/15#15 date=1311941716
      Good to know... Mal.
      Am I correct in assuming that the response from Chris means that the first quote above from Mal is not correct? (Sorry about using correct twice in the one sentence)

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      • #18
        Re: Alex Duetto II - 10A or 15A??

        Hello Procat

        Its not that Mal was incorrect, but rather, not aware of all the relevant information.

        The machines are safe to use as supplied.

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        • #19
          Re: Alex Duetto II - 10A or 15A??

          Originally posted by 56777C7C7B61120 link=1311678166/17#17 date=1311976235
          The machines are safe to use as supplied.
          Even accepting that and that relatively few people are likely to change from the supplied configuration, we are still left with a few unknowns.

          Safety, compliance and certification are separate and need to be confirmed not just for machines shipping now, but also for mschines previously sold in australia.

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          • #20
            Re: Alex Duetto II - 10A or 15A??

            Originally posted by 666E60686A70706C6068030 link=1311678166/18#18 date=1311989867
            we are still left with a few unknowns.
            Like what?

            Chris has already responded regarding the compliance, certification and safety issues.

            Might be smarter to focus on your modified popper.


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            • #21
              Re: Alex Duetto II - 10A or 15A??

              Originally posted by 17363D3D3A20530 link=1311678166/17#17 date=1311976235
              Hello Procat

              Its not that Mal was incorrect, but rather, not aware of all the relevant information.

              The machines are safe to use as supplied.
              Thanks Dennis - I was fairly certain that was going to be the case but nice to have it translated.

              Doug

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              • #22
                Re: Alex Duetto II - 10A or 15A??

                Originally posted by 24050E0E0913600 link=1311678166/19#19 date=1311992433
                Originally posted by 666E60686A70706C6068030 link=1311678166/18#18 date=1311989867
                we are still left with a few unknowns.
                Like what?

                Chris has already responded regarding the compliance, certification and safety issues.

                Might be smarter to focus on your modified popper.

                Ouch!
                Yes I am aware of the apparent irony in aking about compliance issues as the owner of an extensively modified popper. Just to set the record straight on that:
                I am confident my popper is electrically safe
                My popper is unlikely to be fully compliant
                My popper is NOT certified
                BUT...
                I am not selling my popper
                It is a work of art, for strictly ornamental use and is not intended be plugged in to mains voltage. ;D

                I have reread the thread and cant see any clear statement from Chris that existing machines are compliant and certified as such, only an implication that new stock is (he doesnt explicitly say new stock is compliant and certified).

                Perhaps Ive missed something though - wouldnt be the first time. Feel free to correct me and include quotes

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                • #23
                  Re: Alex Duetto II - 10A or 15A??

                  Originally posted by 1C3D3636312B580 link=1311678166/19#19 date=1311992433
                  Originally posted by 666E60686A70706C6068030 link=1311678166/18#18 date=1311989867
                  we are still left with a few unknowns.
                  Like what?

                  Chris has already responded regarding the compliance, certification and safety issues.

                  Might be smarter to focus on your modified popper.

                  While now retired, my many years as a Senior Eng looking after the BHP plant  in NSW and more recently with the Biomedical group for QH.

                  I am quite happy to say that until I see a certified compliance certificate, as issued by the relevant electrical authorityThen the comments as to how safe and that the new units, fully comply is just conjecture and nothing more.

                  As to any units imported previously, then they should be subject to an immediate recall and the importer has a duty of care to notify the relevant electrical authority to advise of the issue and to have the recall published in the same manner as all other electrical breaches.

                  Existing owners should be inspecting the plug and the cord for the correct stamp or markings that will identify if the power lead is in fact compliment with the Australian regs as to its voltage and current rating.  If it does not have markings or these can not be validated via a licensed Electrician or from the info provided on the relevant electrical web site or the AS/NZ standards AS/NZS 3000 / 3001 / 3002 as to the prescribed requirements. Then one has to assume the lead is a grey product.

                  *****
                  To put into simple terms; If the lead is Australian approved, a 15A plug fitted by an electrician and a 15A GPO available, then you do not have a problem.

                  **** Without putting Mal at odds with sponsors, but calling upon his Qualifications and knowledge. I am sure he would be in full agreement with what I have stated.

                  All to often, agents and re sellers are provided some level of advice or documentation and take this on face value. When in-fact it may have been provided with best intentions but assumptions have been made or conclusions drawn from lack of understanding and the information is incorrect!  As per many legal issues, Ignorance is NO excuse in the eyes of the law.

                  Further more there is plenty of conflicting views and half truths that just compound the issue. Even many electricians will not have a full understanding of all the regs.  They will focus on those that impact on their day to day work.

                  A physical inspection, accompanied by all the manufactures  documentation etc is the only way the relevant Electrical authority can issue an Australian compliance certificate.

                  Andy had to go through this with the roaster and even if one has certification certification for one model, a new certification has to be issued if a new model differs in particular performance  or manufacturing processes.

                  My insurance will be valid if an approved electrical compliance by a recognised authority is available and I am using in accordance with the user manual/instruction.   But I doubt that the word of a sponsor or two, stating that it is safe, would carry much weight.

                  This issue is now out in the public arena (CS and other places) and I am sure that any solicitor would be rubbing their hands with glee, should the worse case happen and property get damage or some one get hurt. 

                  Ignore me if you wish, but at least check your system out and contact OR take your system into your local electrical authority for inspection.  Just remember to advise that the option to set for operation that requires a current draw of more than 10A is user configurable.

                  Quality Man







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                  • #24
                    Re: Alex Duetto II - 10A or 15A??

                    Originally posted by 42777A7D49557970707373160 link=1311678166/23#23 date=1312012366
                    Guys,

                    This will be the last post I make in this thread as I am tired of being selectively misquoted elsewhere by the members of the grudge affected gang of four and their poobah who refuse access and right of reply.

                    I invite all owners to contact me any day between 9am and 9pm via phone to discuss this. Its switched on. Alternately, you are welcome to contact your selling agent.

                    Yesterday Matt said he was pulling his sponsorship because he is over dealing with internet forums. I am presently searching for reasons as to why I shouldnt follow him.

                    Nobody is misquoting you; people have spent a considerable amount of money on their duettos, and the points brought up here are completely valid. You said there was a problem with compliance (due to the machine being 15A and it having a 10A plug fitted) and that it has been fixed for future machines.

                    So the big question is, what about all the machines out there that have already been sold???

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                    • #25
                      Re: Alex Duetto II - 10A or 15A??

                      Easy Misha.

                      We are in the process of contacting all owners. 15A machines are fine but we will reflash or replace the PID of 10A machines to lock out the ability for any user with access to PID programming procedure to select 15A. Fortunately, we have a very select club of owners in Australia, so this process with be relatively simple and painless. Well ensure that the deal is sweetened in appreciation of the cooperation of owners.

                      We will make contact with each purchaser off forum to make arrangements. All further Australian stock is 10A only.

                      [edit]all owners have now been contacted to make arrangements for a PID upgrade[/edit]

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                      • #26
                        Re: Alex Duetto II - 10A or 15A??

                        Hi

                        Sorry I am still confused about the following question. Should I be worried about buying a second hand Alex Duetto II because of compliance issues with the relevant certifications regarding the current drawn?

                        Thanks.

                        EDIT: Of course you would only worry about the ones pre the new batch, as I understand the new batch is certified?

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                        • #27
                          Re: Alex Duetto II - 10A or 15A??

                          Have just heard from Chris at Talk Coffee

                          He expects to be in receipt of replacement PIDs or flashing equipment in a few weeks to upgrade the PID in the machine which should alleviate any concerns. He also offered a complimentary service to compensate for any inconvenience.

                          In my opinion, a further demonstration of the excellent service provided by Chris.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Alex Duetto II - 10A or 15A??

                            Originally posted by 0D2F323E3C295D0 link=1311678166/26#26 date=1312084176
                            In my opinion, a further demonstration of the excellent service provided by Chris.
                            I second that comment. Some people on here need to get a life; I am amazed at how so many instant experts come out of the woodwork when they sniff a bit of blood. FWIW I am a) very happy with my 10A Duetto and b) very happy with the service I have received from Chris. I think I will go and make a coffee

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                            • #29
                              Re: Alex Duetto II - 10A or 15A??

                              Good result Chris,

                              Just going a little off topic but you mentioned the Duetto was imported as a commercial machine. Just briefly does that change the compliance regs as opposed to a domestic appliance?

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                              • #30
                                Re: Alex Duetto II - 10A or 15A??

                                Originally posted by 60425F4A572D0 link=1311678166/27#27 date=1312085383
                                Some people on here need to get a life; I am amazed at how so many instant experts come out of the woodwork when they sniff a bit of blood.
                                No some of us with an electrical/engineering background take yours and our own safety very seriously when it comes to electrical matters.

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