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  • Koffee_Kosmo
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    Re: Expobar?

    Originally posted by 71737477627376766B120 link=1313327320/21#21 date=1313509715
    KK - Based on my limited understanding, I thought that in a fully auto machine the brewing/filling automatically cuts out by itself; so when i referred to semi-automatic i assumed the machine would give us control to cut off the brewing. Is this correct?

    What you want is a volumetric machine
    It gives you all the above user functions
    Programmable Auto, Programmable Semi Auto and On - Off manual

    I asked the original question is because theres one level past the auto and that is a super auto where the machine also grinds and tamps the coffee similar to McDonalds 

    KK

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  • cafepaddy
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    Thanks for sending the link Chris! That may just solve our "hot beverage issue"... and in which case (given Pavoniboys post) I suppose we could look into a cheaper coffee machine?

    But thinking it through, wed probably still have to go for a 2 group... regardless of the quality of the cup we produce, I dont think consumers these days would buy coffee from us if we had only a one group machine on display... (rightly or wrongly) I think its a market perception thing.

    KK - Based on my limited understanding, I thought that in a fully auto machine the brewing/filling automatically cuts out by itself; so when i referred to semi-automatic i assumed the machine would give us control to cut off the brewing. Is this correct?

    Re 2 group compacts, does anyone have a favourite or a recommendation based on reliability? I may be asking the obvious... whats the difference between a heat exchange compact 2 group and a heat exchange normal 2 group? Is the difference limited solely to the steam recovery ability or is there more to it?

    Appreciate your input!

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  • Koffee_Kosmo
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    Originally posted by 535156554051545449300 link=1313327320/15#15 date=1313422285
    One other question - should we go for a fully auto or semi-auto?
    Can you please define what your interpretation is of a full auto machine


    Originally posted by 64515C5B6F735F56565555300 link=1313327320/17#17 date=1313442140
    Hi cafepaddy,

    Looking at your brief as well as KKs unanswered question later on, I am going to suggest this option from site sponsor ECA: http://espressocompany.com.au/steam.htm

    It will easily cater for all of your tea and hot chocolate requirements.

    I think that this plus a 1 group (or 2 group compact) heat exchanger machine will easily handle your requirements.

    Good luck!

    Chris
    Ahh thats the one Chris, thanks for finding it [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]
    They have so many more uses

    Originally posted by 4344515E53300 link=1313327320/10#10 date=1313374543
    I believe KK anticipated their hot water requirement to make Tea, not hot chocolates, and hence wisely advised the purchase of an urn.
    Thanks mate, yes I was also thinking tea ect :

    KK






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  • Pavoniboy
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    Jumping in on the percentages question.

    Ill start with barista 100%, beans 100%, grinder 90%, machine 10%. That adds up doesnt it? :-?

    If you have a bad barista, no amount of quality of the rest will make consistent good coffee.

    If you have bad beans, no amount of quality of the rest will make consistent good coffee.

    Grinder...well its more important than you think (as stated above). More important than the machine, especially given any of the machines your are looking at are capable of making a good coffee.

    Machine...well anything you are looking at is capable of making good coffee - so its actually the least important of the lot by a long shot. For machine you need to focus on your original questioning - one that meets your needs e.g. very high steam capability.

    Chris answer seems perfect. A great item for high capacity steam, as much water as you need for teas and then you can look at a compact espresso machine without making the decision solely on the steam capability. And if coffee happened to become a larger and larger part of the business, hot chocolate makers can stay out of the way of the barista and the coffees can keep on coming.

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  • SniffCoffee
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    Originally posted by 596C6166524E626B6B68680D0 link=1313327320/17#17 date=1313442140
    I am going to suggest this option from site sponsor ECA: http://espressocompany.com.au/steam.htm
    Someone should bolt a lever group to the front of that baby!

    (I know I know, Im going OT : )

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  • TC
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    Hi cafepaddy,

    Looking at your brief as well as KKs unanswered question later on, I am going to suggest this option from site sponsor ECA: http://espressocompany.com.au/steam.htm

    It will easily cater for all of your tea and hot chocolate requirements.

    I think that this plus a 1 group (or 2 group compact) heat exchanger machine will easily handle your requirements.

    Good luck!

    Chris

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  • Randy_G.
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    semi-auto vs. full-auto is a personal thing I suppose. If there were two machines that were in all other ways equal, I would choose semi. If you price things like control panels and electronic boxes, repair is expensive enough. My opinion is: why add complications that could add dramatically to repair costs and lessen my ability to diagnose and repair my machine just for the convenience of not having to start and stop the brew cycle? On the other hand, if there was a machine I just had to have, I would not eliminate it from the list just because it was full-auto.

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  • cafepaddy
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    Thanks KK, Mischa, Randy, Lwowiak and Brett - appreciate the insights offered! Will weigh up the different options proposed. Based on whats said, we will probably leave the water for tea entirely separate to the machine and focus the equipment on just coffee and hot chocs.

    In response to Randy - ideally, we would like to afford equipment that we can grow into.

    One other question - should we go for a fully auto or semi-auto?

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  • blanyon
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    The expobar is more like 3400w and have good capacity for steaming. +1 for the addition of an urn, you greatly increase your capacity if you dont draw hot water from the boiler for long blacks and teas.

    See if you can play with the machines you are looking at as each one is a bit different and might not suit your needs.

    Brett

    Ps I love the expobar machines I have two!

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  • Koffee_Kosmo
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    Originally posted by 0035383F0B173B32323131540 link=1313327320/12#12 date=1313375435
    Play nice guys. KK- youre a mod. You know better  :-?
    I have conducted myself with propriety
    I have given my opinion end of story

    KK

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  • TC
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    Play nice guys. KK, youre a mod. You know better  :-?

    In fact, you both know better.

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  • Mischa
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    Originally posted by 43676E6E6D6D5743677B6567080 link=1313327320/9#9 date=1313374213
    Originally posted by 0C2832222920410 link=1313327320/8#8 date=1313373290
    Thanks for that amazing suggestion, i did in fact read the post but i didnt see anywhere that they make their hot chocolates with hot water? It just says that they need a decent steaming machine to steam milk for the hot chocs.

    Yes, an urn can be useful, but in their case? probably not
    You have an uncanny ability to think and be the only one right

    All my life or at least in the past 40 years a family member has had a restaurant or cafe, even to this day 4 establishments owned and operated by a family member, so I speak with some experience

    There are many ways to make a beverage as well as the equipment required

    I gave the OP 2 alternate opinions and unfortunately you just rebuked me
    Offer an alternative and let the OP decide  >

    KK

    Well actually i did suggest something which was to buy a 2group machine due to needing a fair amount of steam, and my other suggestion was to buy a cost effective machine whose parts can be attained from anywhere fairly easily: the Wega Atlas.

    I didnt make a dick comment until you did, and i didnt rebuke you for the sake of it, i simply pointed out why your suggestion was hmm how do i say "sh!t" nicely not relevant to her situation. I even admitted that urns are great if you need lots of hot water!

    obviously you have infinity years of experience in everything, therefore the op should buy a single group machine, a giant urn and that will work great!

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  • Bosco_Lever
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    Re: Expobar?

    Originally posted by 6A4E54444F46270 link=1313327320/8#8 date=1313373290
    Thanks for that amazing suggestion, i did in fact read the post but i didnt see anywhere that they make their hot chocolates with hot water? It just says that they need a decent steaming machine to steam milk for the hot chocs.

    Yes, an urn can be useful, but in their case? probably not
    The original post states:
    Originally posted by 44464142574643435E270 link=1313327320/0#0 date=1313327320
    hot chocolates and tea
    I believe KK anticipated their hot water requirement to make Tea, not hot chocolates, and hence wisely advised the purchase of an urn.

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  • Koffee_Kosmo
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    Re: Expobar?

    Originally posted by 0C2832222920410 link=1313327320/8#8 date=1313373290
    Thanks for that amazing suggestion, i did in fact read the post but i didnt see anywhere that they make their hot chocolates with hot water? It just says that they need a decent steaming machine to steam milk for the hot chocs.

    Yes, an urn can be useful, but in their case? probably not
    You have an uncanny ability to think and be the only one right

    All my life or at least in the past 40 years a family member has had a restaurant or cafe, even to this day 4 establishments owned and operated by a family member, so I speak with some experience

    There are many ways to make a beverage as well as the equipment required

    I gave the OP 2 alternate opinions and unfortunately you just rebuked me
    Offer an alternative and let the OP decide >

    KK

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  • Mischa
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    Re: Expobar?

    Originally posted by 10343D3D3E3E0410342836345B0 link=1313327320/7#7 date=1313369121
    If you take the time and read the original post you may see why I answered in that way
    Thanks for that amazing suggestion, i did in fact read the post but i didnt see anywhere that they make their hot chocolates with hot water? It just says that they need a decent steaming machine to steam milk for the hot chocs.

    Yes, an urn can be useful, but in their case? probably not

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