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  • #31
    as if by magic.....

    Pretty much off topic now I know, but as the thread has gone down this way......

    I have been interstate a few days and ended up in a very trendy part of some town. As if by magic  a cafe appeared in front of me, all decked out in the livery of choice for those that want atleast in the Australian market, to show the target audience that...."...they trooly care about the coffee..."

    A 3 group multi boiler machine of the appropriate brand, no less than 2 swift grinders, and a regular cafe grinder.

    A fantastic place to test this never ending experiment.

    In we went and ordered coffees, and disappointed we were when 2 cups of coffee came out that could have been produced on any HX machine by any half reasonable operator.

    Nevertheless, $7.60 well spent in the never ending quest to try and find that truly remarkable coffee that is said to be produced in a commercial cafe situation, where certain types of equipment have been specified, for the express purpose of indicating to the paying clientelle, that the operators really care about the coffee.

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    • #32
      Re: choices Synesso Sabre or La Marzocco Linea

      one at Sydney CBD Central Station next to TAFE, with Multi boiler machine + Swift + Has Garanti 5 KG, roast on side, looks great but the coffee just average, looks like poor operator

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      • #33
        Re: choices Synesso Sabre or La Marzocco Linea

        I could probably afford to buy a new machine for all the money Ive spent on crap coffees produced using a synesso, or a slayer, or  a LM for that matter ...

        seems to me that a lot of modern baristi are more interested in combing their collective moustaches or twirling the ends of their asymmetrical bobs than crafting a quality coffee

        conversely I had an espresso made on a 30 year old e61 machine the other day and both the coffee and the machine were mint

        doesnt matter what kind of equipment you use if its not well maintained, and operated with respect for the raw materials, then youre not going to end up with a quality coffee

        seems to me also that humblebarista has left the building which makes me wonder if

        a)  the argument is not largely academic, and

        b)  whos cash was he splashing around anyway? as its not clear to me that he was the one putting up the money (sounded to me like the coffee supplier was the one fitting the bill!)

        I for one am in the process of retro-fitting a four group LM Linea with mechanical paddles at the moment - most of the equipment going into that project comes straight from the Strada line-up - and I love the fact that this customisability is in-built into the LM range

        and as others have said the quality of the coffee that youre using, combined with the person driving the machine, is easily as important as the equipment that youre using

        and as to this machine being better than that machine - I think its all stuff and nonsense

        you can own the most expensive car in the world, but if you dont know how to drive it, then its going nowhere...

        ACg

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        • #34
          Re: choices Synesso Sabre or La Marzocco Linea

          well said Pat

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          • #35
            I wonder what happened in the end? It's like a movie with no finale.

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            • #36
              Read this thread from go to whoa, like walking through a minefield.

              from a business perspective, I would actually go back to posts #2 & 3. and stop there. You have all the information you need right there.

              no need to be wanking over polished stainless steel and digital accuracy.

              IME the best baristas go by feel. It is rapidly becoming a lost art.

              $0.05

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              • #37
                yeah a bit of a blast from the past here. I think I recall reading this thread a year ago and had the same feeling about it as I do now... if I understand correctly, much of the advice is basically this: the machines the OP asked about are technically superior but he shouldn't buy one. He should buy a (technically) inferior one instead, because a good operator on a HX machine can produce better results than a poor-to-average operator on a fancy multiboiler machine. The logic fail is the implication that those average cafes with fancy machines would do better with cheaper ones.
                If there was any mention of a tight budget (there wasn't) then it would be fair to recommend starting with something cheaper, but some of the comments come across as too defensive, like they felt compelled to defend the honour of the good old HX. It becomes frustrating to read sometimes.

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                • #38
                  I didnt see it that way.

                  And from an industry perpective, this topic is far bigger than you may ever know and really doesnt have anything much to do with actual cafe cup quality.

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