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    OK, so Ive fiddled, nursed, repaired, sworn at and occasionally been surprised by an Em6910 for several years but I can take it no more! So its upgrade time. The funds are available (just) and Im looking at a big step and was hoping the collective wisdom would throw a bit of advice my way ...

    After much reading Ive been gravitating towards an Alex Duetto II (the latest one with the nice knobs ). My plan is to head down the range (I live in Toowoomba) next week and try the thing out in person and hopefully compare with at least one, hopefully two machines of a similar ilk. From the sponsors list it seems Coffee Roasters Australia is the place to head for. I plan on ringing them and making an appointment to check things out and if all goes well walk out the door with a 35kg box under my arm!

    BUT, Im a pretty cautious shopper when spending up big, so I was wondering if any fellow snobs have any suggestions of where else I might go, probably in Brisbane?

    Just to check Im thinking straight, Im moving toward the Duetto II because:
    - I like the excellent temp control with the double boilers and PIDs
    - I like the E61 group (but am a little concerned about the spout clearance on the Duetto II)
    - I like the nice, quiet rotary pump with the option of plumbing in when (if) ready to go that way
    - I tend to make mostly flat whites and so good micro-foam is important
    - I like the solid build and shiny SS!
    - I dont want another over-grown appliance ( I have had a placy with the Breville double-boiler)

    I could go on, but this post is getting long and boring.

    As a final note, I will have to live with the Smart Grinder for about another year and this is (I understand) a bit of sad thing to compromise on, but I cant stand steaming with the 6910 anymore.

    So, any words of warning, comfort ,whatever???

    Thanks in advance,

    Pete

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    Re: Moving to Extreme - any suggestions welcome

    Pete,
    When you visit Mark at CRA, ask him to showcase the Bosco Sorrento Lever he has. Though his display unit is a 2 group, it is available in a one group.
    Just more variables for you to consider.
    Good luck with your choice of a new shiny toy.

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    • #3
      Re: Moving to Extreme - any suggestions welcome

      Expobar Minore also fits into your check point list

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        Re: Moving to Extreme - any suggestions welcome

        Originally posted by 5552474845260 link=1340074463/1#1 date=1340074993
        When you visit Mark at CRA, ask him to showcase the Bosco Sorrento Lever he has. Though his display unit is a 2 group, it is available in a one group.
        Just more variables for you to consider.
        Good luck with your choice of a new shiny toy.
        Ahhh - Do you know how long it has taken me to narrow things down  : - just kidding, thanks for the advice, Ill have a drool. Have wondered about Levers but dont think theyre for me at the moment (but maybe in a few years ...)

        Originally posted by 65494A4F487971260 link=1340074463/2#2 date=1340076962
        Expobar Minore also fits into your check point list
        Thanks Ronin - was hoping someone would bring that up. Am hoping to try one of those too. Anybody got any preference between the two (other than looks)?

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        • #5
          Re: Moving to Extreme - any suggestions welcome

          Take some coffee beans with you. At least 500g of an espresso blend that you are familiar with, so you can compare the taste from one machine to another. Mind you it is dangerous as you might like the taste from the Bosco better

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            Re: Moving to Extreme - any suggestions welcome

            I bought an Alec Duetto off Mark @ Coffee Roasters Australia. He is a great bloke to deal with. It is a fantastic machine and suits be very well.. I have a K3T as my grinder.

            Cant speak for the other machines you may get to review, but I can assure the Alex is a very nice piece of kit. As for spout clearance I am using very nice tulip cups for Flat whites and they make a very nice coffee. Fit under the portafilter without modification.

            My thoughts are that I appreicate a perfect smaller cup than an average large cup of coffee. I have larger cappuccino cups if I decide to have a double which have no problems fitting under there. Its just the mugs or larger cups which dont fit. Not a major problem IMO.

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            • #7
              Re: Moving to Extreme - any suggestions welcome

              Hi Pete

              I have owened a Expobar Minore and now have the Alex Duetto both machines purchased from Mark @ Coffee roasters Australia .

              Theses machines pull great coffee :P the reason that I changed was that I wanted to go rotary and plumb the unit in, Sick of filling tanks and emptying water trays.

              I find that the Alex is great for having both boilers being controlled by the pid makes life easy if you like to play around with different temp settings ....

              You cant go wrong with ether machine and I am sure that a Mark will look after you as he has me...

              Cheers Gra..

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                Re: Moving to Extreme - any suggestions welcome

                Thanks for all the advice - much appreciated.

                Originally posted by 4740555A57340 link=1340074463/4#4 date=1340080842
                Take some coffee beans with you. At least 500g of an espresso blend that you are familiar with, so you can compare the taste from one machine to another. Mind you it is dangerous as you might like the taste from the Bosco better
                Yeah, Id better get roasting, might even have to buy some browns (havent done that for almost two years!)

                Originally posted by 777571787678617105340 link=1340074463/5#5 date=1340085791
                My thoughts are that I appreicate a perfect smaller cup than an average large cup of coffee.  I have larger cappuccino cups if I decide to have a double which have no problems fitting under there.  Its just the mugs or larger cups which dont fit.  Not a major problem IMO.
                Same here, but some of our visitors much prefer to have the larger capp. cups and it looked like things might get a bit cramped. On a day-to-day basis my wife and I have small flat whites (ACF cups that hold about 120mL I think) so sounds like all should be fine. Good to know the larger cups fo

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                • #9
                  Re: Moving to Extreme - any suggestions welcome

                  woops, hit post half way through ...

                  as I was saying, Good to know the larger cups fit though.

                  Originally posted by 6D584B2A0 link=1340074463/6#6 date=1340086692
                  You cant go wrong with ether machine and I am sure that a Mark will look after you as he has me...
                  Thanks - nice to hear from someone who has had both.

                  Originally posted by 595E4B44492A0 link=1340074463/4#4 date=1340080842
                  Mind you it is dangerous as you might like the taste from the Bosco better
                  AND they look so cool! BUT, NOT THIS TIME!! REALLY. NO MATTER HOW EXCITED I GET WHEN IM THERE ;D

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                  • #10
                    Re: Moving to Extreme - any suggestions welcome

                    The only other machine that looks good on paper is the Rocket R58 dual boiler:
                    http://talkcoffee.com.au/equipment/coffee-machine-rocket-r58.php

                    But im not sure if it is available in Australia yet.

                    Correct me if im wrong but I didnt think that the Minore IV came with a rotary pump.  If the rotary pump is not important then you can also consider the Diadema Junior Extra dual boiler PID, or the cheaper Giove II (and buy a grinder at the same time! :P )

                    Lots of options!  Have fun selecting your shiny new toy!

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                      Re: Moving to Extreme - any suggestions welcome

                      Originally posted by 4D6173757461000 link=1340074463/9#9 date=1340159161
                      Correct me if im wrong but I didnt think that the Minore IV came with a rotary pump.
                      The Minore IV is available with the rotary pump as an option.
                      Although adding that option adds about $600 more.
                      Almost in Alex Duetto price range.
                      IMO id pay the extra and get the Alex

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                      • #12
                        Re: Moving to Extreme - any suggestions welcome

                        Originally posted by 667A677C7677607B7C754D757760797B7C61120 link=1340074463/10#10 date=1340181453
                        Originally posted by 4D6173757461000 link=1340074463/9#9 date=1340159161
                        Correct me if im wrong but I didnt think that the Minore IV came with a rotary pump.
                        The Minore IV is available with the rotary pump as an option.
                        Although adding that option adds about $600 more.
                        Almost in Alex Duetto price range.
                        IMO id pay the extra and get the Alex
                        Not sure the differences between the Minore and Alex. Both have E61 groups, dual boilers and the same PID.
                        I think boiler size is different tho, perhaps someone can point out the differences.

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                          Re: Moving to Extreme - any suggestions welcome

                          Originally posted by 032F2C292E1F17400 link=1340074463/11#11 date=1340182981
                          Not sure the differences between the Minore and Alex. Both have E61 groups, dual boilers and the same PID.I think boiler size is different tho, perhaps someone can point out the differences.
                          If you have the rotary pump option with the Minore it has to be plumbed in. the pump takes the place of the water reservoir.
                          The Alex Duetto has the option of either with a flick of a valve.
                          The fit and finish is better with the Alex.
                          PID on both boilers with the alex.
                          Although PID on the steam boiler may be overkill some think.
                          I think their both great machines, but for me, i like the Alex.

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                            Re: Moving to Extreme - any suggestions welcome

                            I have tried both quite a bit and i always feel the Alex is a notch above the minore.  But you get what you pay for and theyre both great. Anyway pete says his budget already covers the alex - so go fo it. 

                            Well be hearing raves from you shortly no doubt....


                            Originally posted by 4B574A515B5A4D56515860585A4D5456514C3F0 link=1340074463/12#12 date=1340185122
                            If you have the rotary pump option with the Minore it has to be plumbed in. the pump takes the place of the water reservoir.
                            The Alex Duetto has the option of either with a flick of a valve.
                            The fit and finish is better with the Alex.
                            PID on both boilers with the alex.
                            Although PID on the steam boiler may be overkill some think.
                            I think their both great machines, but for me, i like the Alex.

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                              Re: Moving to Extreme - any suggestions welcome

                              Thanks for everyones replies.

                              Originally posted by 4B5B4C5D5D5B4C484B50290 link=1340074463/13#13 date=1340222391
                              Well be hearing raves from you shortly no doubt....
                              Will hopefully be happening next week. I will definitely let everyone know how I go.

                              Am working on the water filter question. Looking like a Bombora something is the way to go. Cant plumb in at this stage (will be moving house soon) but have seen something that sits on the bench for around $100. Sound about right?

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