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  • #31
    Ah, sorry, my mistake. Tired and not reading things properly...

    Hard lesson to learn =/

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Andy View Post
      This is the reason that I will never send anything overseas via sea mail again.

      Last year I had someone purchase a Behmor roaster in Brazil who insisted on using sea mail to save money even though I told them that it would take 3 months (at least) and I typically only send via Express Post International (10 days to with tracking to just about anywhere on the globe).

      40 days after purchase they complained to PayPal and when I asked why he said "because I only have 45 days to complain, I know you have sent it but if it doesnt turn up I can claim it".

      He claimed, got refunded (even though I could prove I sent it) and the roaster arrived 3 months after purchase.

      There are scammers everywhere... but luckily for the human race most people are good people.
      Exactly why PAYPAL has way too much risk for sellers (not to mention the fees)...but for buyers it's a good thing to have...but is prone for misuse as in the case where people complain as insurance...it's just not right.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
        Seems there are plenty gullibles...

        20+ bids on one of the Piccolos. Hope they shut the seller down before someone else gets scammed.
        Unfortunately the 3 Piccolos all sold with multiple bids. 1 @ $370, 1@ $371.50, 1 @ $460. There's going to be 3 very disappointed buyers. I reported all 3 as fraudulent ads as probably others did too. All 3 auctions ran their course.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by saoye View Post
          Exactly why PAYPAL has way too much risk for sellers (not to mention the fees)...but for buyers it's a good thing to have...but is prone for misuse as in the case where people complain as insurance...it's just not right.
          Having dealt with a dishonest seller in the past, I was thankful for PayPal backing me up and achieving a refund. Unfortunately those that choose the dark side of life, stealing and cheating their way through, often take advantage of systems like this which are there to protect the honest folk who have been wronged.

          The seller I dealt with had asked me to send back a faulty coffee machine (at substantial cost to me). They let slip a comment that made it obvious that it woudn't be the end of it, possibly claiming non receipt or damage in transit. When I mentioned this to PayPal they said all I needed was a receipt to show that I had sent the item back - registered mail etc - to have the refund processed. Once the seller heard this they started playing nice. The downside is it leaves this part of the process open to abuse by the dishonest bast#%ds amongst us.

          In a time where more and more sellers misrepresent the goods they are selling, PayPal gives some peace of mind that you'll be protected when outlaying those hard earned dollars in good faith.
          Last edited by CafeLotta; 1 June 2013, 12:10 PM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Andy View Post
            This is the reason that I will never send anything overseas via sea mail again.

            Last year I had someone purchase a Behmor roaster in Brazil who insisted on using sea mail to save money even though I told them that it would take 3 months (at least) and I typically only send via Express Post International (10 days to with tracking to just about anywhere on the globe).

            40 days after purchase they complained to PayPal and when I asked why he said "because I only have 45 days to complain, I know you have sent it but if it doesnt turn up I can claim it".

            He claimed, got refunded (even though I could prove I sent it) and the roaster arrived 3 months after purchase.

            There are scammers everywhere... but luckily for the human race most people are good people.
            They were obviously scammers. They could/should have notified PayPal when they received it and you should have gotten your money back. I only found out about the 45 day rule, when I tried to complain about an (Australian) company who never sent me the goods I purchased and kept offering up new excuses, why it will be sent any second. By the time I got in touch with PayPay it was too late. That is when they told me that in future, I should always open a "case" before the 45 days are up and then withdraw it, if I receive my goods. I haven't had a reason to do it since, but have certainly learned my lesson and will do so, if the need arises. But, I would certainly withdraw the claim if it got sorted.

            I wasn't aware that the seller will have the money taken out of their account immediately, I presumed they would get in touch and ask for an explanation first

            Everyone here is saying that PayPal helps the buyers more than the sellers, but the few times I complained to PayPal, I have never gotten a refund. As I said I once bought a USB stick from China, which was very cheap, the postage cost more than the thing. I can't remember the whole story now, but it actually harmed my computer. I later read about some scam about these, supposedly large size USB sticks. The fine print said I had to send it back, (and PayPal said registered) which would have cost more than the thing was worth. PayPay did take their account down, but that didn't help me any

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            • #36
              Originally posted by CafeLotta View Post
              Unfortunately the 3 Piccolos all sold with multiple bids. 1 @ $370, 1@ $371.50, 1 @ $460. There's going to be 3 very disappointed buyers. I reported all 3 as fraudulent ads as probably others did too. All 3 auctions ran their course.
              Obviously something wrong with the way I'm searching. Tried to find them, just out of curiosity, but can't (did look in completed listings)

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              • #37
                Originally posted by CafeLotta View Post

                In a time where more and more sellers misrepresent the goods they are selling, PayPal gives some peace of mind that you'll be protected when outlaying those hard earned dollars in good faith.
                Well, I think you were lucky! If you had to send back a coffee machine, registered, you would have been out of pocket by quite a large amount of money, which wouldn't have been refunded. That is what puts most people off claiming. I NEVER buy anything expensive (especially heavy) on evil bay unless it is local, so I can pick it up, or I know the seller by name or reputation.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by csutak40 View Post
                  Well, I think you were lucky! If you had to send back a coffee machine, registered, you would have been out of pocket by quite a large amount of money, which wouldn't have been refunded. That is what puts most people off claiming. I NEVER buy anything expensive (especially heavy) on evil bay unless it is local, so I can pick it up, or I know the seller by name or reputation.
                  First and last time I'll buy large used items from interstate. I had extensive contact with the seller prior to the end of the auction and basically they just lied through their teeth. I thought that maybe after I told them I would be paying with PayPal, it might have deterred them from trying it on. Wrong!! They tried to get me to pay using other means and then tried stuffing around until the PayPal time limit ran out on lodging a claim. The key is to lodge a claim before the time limit expires. It can always be cancelled if things are worked out outside of PayPal. In this case the pric%s pushed it all the way but it cost them in the end.

                  Its a different world these days where good character complete with honesty and a desire to maintain a good reputation seem to mean very little to many people.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by csutak40 View Post
                    Obviously something wrong with the way I'm searching. Tried to find them, just out of curiosity, but can't (did look in completed listings)
                    Well the Piccolo's (x3) are back on the auction site again...together with a bunch of "Super Auto's " ..from the same seller...Same deal as before.
                    This shows that either buyers are getting a real bagain price on genuine m/c's .....
                    ...OR Evilbay & PPAL dont bother to screen/bar this seller dispite repeated reports of scams !
                    I wonder which it is ?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by blend52 View Post
                      Well the Piccolo's (x3) are back on the auction site again...together with a bunch of "Super Auto's " ..from the same seller...Same deal as before.
                      This shows that either buyers are getting a real bagain price on genuine m/c's .....
                      ...OR Evilbay & PPAL dont bother to screen/bar this seller dispite repeated reports of scams !
                      I wonder which it is ?
                      I have the original 3 Piccolo's on my watchlist so will be interesting to watch the feedback as they were all sold. Could take a month or more before the "scam" will be uncovered. By then more people would have been cheated and the Evilbay account will probably be closed but too late for some.......

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                      • #41
                        Pretty easy really- Sellers cannot make money if they sell stuff under factory wholesale prices unless they stole it....

                        Let's wait for the hard luck stories

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
                          Pretty easy really- Sellers cannot make money if they sell stuff under factory wholesale prices unless they stole it....

                          Let's wait for the hard luck stories
                          Maybe they stole them.

                          In the past, whenever I have ordered large things on the internet from afar and paid with paypal.......

                          depending on the delivery method, I refuse to sign for the item until I have actually opened it.

                          I have done it at the post office as well as on my doorstep. It only takes a minute and I have never had anyone object.

                          If there is anything suspect, I refuse to accept the item and tell either the post office or courier company to send it back.

                          That way I have not received it and I don't have to pay to return it.

                          Paypal has refunded my money on both occasions I refused to accept the consignment without any fuss.

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                          • #43
                            Looks like Ebay have finally done something about it. The initial 3 Piccolos that were on my watchlist after the auctions had ended have disappeared. Usually means that some action has been taken. Items usually stay on there for weeks, if not months.

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