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  • #16
    kwantfm - did you have a LM GS3? I did a bit of reading and the LM baskets are made under license from VST and rebranded essentially. Anyone with a GS3 confirm this?

    I need to get a proper weighing machine as mine doesn't fit my portafilter on it, so a bit useless in weighing the final product before extraction.
    Will keep at it. Might try increasing the brew temperature 1 degree. Current on 92.

    Thanks for your posts so far.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by cwliew View Post
      I need to get a proper weighing machine
      Nope. Learn how to dose and distribute correctly. It's all about that, but I might have mentioned that before this week. At the moment you're concentrating on bits and pieces. Concentrate on technique, not crutches. Use your scales to weigh yourself...

      Might try increasing the brew temperature 1 degree. Current on 92.
      Try 94 deg if you're using medium-dark roast.

      LM baskets? Rubbish. Hate them. Get a good well, designed ridgeless basket.

      VST? If you want to hate your coffee and machine whilst learning. VST is the perfect way to do it. They're for advanced users, not training wheels. Still hate them though (even more than LM).

      Thanks for your posts so far.
      Thanks for the thanks....

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      • #18
        Hmm, so can't use LM baskets, and can't use VST baskets? I think I'll just stick to my LM baskets for now. It was how my machine was born. When I can pull some nicer shots, then maybe get new baskets.
        Will try increasing the temp - its the one thing I haven't tried yet.
        I am in Adelaide guys.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
          Nope. Learn how to dose and distribute correctly.
          LM baskets? Rubbish. Hate them. Get a good well, designed ridgeless basket.

          VST? If you want to hate your coffee and machine whilst learning. VST is the perfect way to do it. They're for advanced users, not training wheels. Still hate them though (even more than LM)
          I would say scales are a great starter to get consistency and less frustrating results to dial in your technique although not necessary they can help when you just start out.

          So the option that we are left with is no basket?? What's your recommendation?

          M

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          • #20
            Originally posted by cwliew View Post
            kwantfm - did you have a LM GS3? I did a bit of reading and the LM baskets are made under license from VST and rebranded essentially. Anyone with a GS3 confirm this?
            I don't have a GS3... VST baskets were a joint venture between VST and LM. I'm pretty certain that LM baskets and VST are exactly the same. I had a horrible experience starting up with my VSTs but as my dosing and distribution improved (nods to Talk Coffee Chris) things got a lot better with the VST. Now it's my preferred basket and I honestly think my extractions are better than they ever were with my stock baskets.

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            • #21
              The LM version of VST baskets are 17 grams for the double, and ridged for commercial use, against the recommendation of the VST chap. Something about disrupting the flow dynamics inside the basket, but LM insisted.

              They are only supplied with the Strada currently, as far as I know.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by coffee_machinist View Post
                ... ridged for commercial use, against the recommendation of the VST chap.
                Really interesting... goes to show how expedient business people can be as VST makes both ridged and ridgeless for their 22, 18 and 15 g baskets and only ridged for their 7 g singles. I just bought a second 18 g and was fascinated to see that the serial number implied that it was a 17 g basket.

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                • #23
                  All I know is that we use VST'S at work and I've never tried the baskets that came with the 2.5 year old machine. But the VSTs make fantastic coffee at work and at home.

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                  • #24
                    Just one from left field…
                    If the machine is only a month old, then maybe the taste you're getting is still from the boiler settling in? Have a mate who got a brand new E61, and I took some of my beans over. Was shocked how sour and metallic these tasted in a short black compared to what I was making at home with the same beans on an older machine. Just a 'brassy' taste…
                    Might improve as the boiler seasons? Dunno - maybe the GS3 has a SS boiler…

                    Just a thought!
                    Matt


                    But nice setup

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                    • #25
                      The GS/3 boilers are SS.

                      The solution here will be one of or more of coffee, dose and distribution.

                      The OP needs to learn sound, consistent technique. In my experience so far, I have yet to have a client present for training with good technique.

                      The answer will not be found in purchasing a draw full of coffee gizmos or seeking complexity out of what is simple, but then what would I know!

                      Time out for me in this thread.....

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                      • #26
                        Anyone here have recommendations on where to do good training in Adelaide? Either in class, or having someone come over and teach you on your own machine?
                        I would prefer having someone over as its more relevant that way, but don't really know how to go about getting this organised.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by cwliew View Post
                          Anyone here have recommendations on where to do good training in Adelaide? Either in class, or having someone come over and teach you on your own machine?
                          Morning CW, Coffee Craft in Adelaide, Glandore run training sessions, they seem pretty expensive to me, $210 for a three hour session

                          Or you can adopt a do it yourself approach and follow the steps in post one of this thread http://coffeesnobs.com.au/general-co...esso-home.html

                          At no cost at all, its an easy to follow DIY work instuction, all logical common sense stuff.

                          I suspect the inverted tamp brigade, who insist the dosed basket must be swept with the wing feather of a barn owl, would do well to revisit the article, but perhaps not, its all too simple.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                            I suspect the inverted tamp brigade, who insist the dosed basket must be swept with the wing feather of a barn owl, would do well to revisit the article, but perhaps not, its all too simple.
                            I like to lightly tamp every 0.5g of coffee I put in the PF! You have a problem with that??... *rollseyes*

                            Michael

                            (Extreme sarcasm here)

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                            • #29
                              they run classes at Rio Coffee on Stephens Terrace too but don't know what they cost or a like but the rest of their stuff seems very good.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by cwliew View Post
                                Hmm, so can't use LM baskets, and can't use VST baskets? I think I'll just stick to my LM baskets for now. It was how my machine was born. When I can pull some nicer shots, then maybe get new baskets.
                                Will try increasing the temp - its the one thing I haven't tried yet.
                                I am in Adelaide guys.
                                Me again CW, unlike Chris (Talk Coffee) I quite like the LM baskets, and used one (18 gram) exclusively on my Bezzera, that is until he offered his range of Precision baskets, they certainly are an improvement on what has gone before.
                                As far as VST baskets are concerned, I have a couple, they really are a PITA to use, not saying you cant pull decent shots with them, you most certainly can, however you really have to have your ducks in a row to get the best out of them.

                                In my opinion Precision baskets Precision filter basket 58mm- Espresso parts are easy to use and represent good value for money.

                                You say "When I can pull some nicer shots, then maybe get new baskets" my feeling is that a few dollars for a new basket will greatly improve your chances of achieving these "nicer shots"

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