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  • #16
    I have been torn between the Duetto and R58 for a while now.
    The Duetto fails on asthetics.
    The R58 fails because of the cheap PID. I just can't live with that. What a piece of junk to add to an otherwise top quality machine!
    I saw the Profitec Pro 700 at MICE and was very impressed. It seems to tick all of the boxes for me.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Pauly404 View Post
      I have been torn between the Duetto and R58 for a while now.
      The Duetto fails on asthetics.
      Might be an idea to have a look at the 2014 model Pauly. It shades the R58 on finish.

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      • #18
        I looked at the R58 when they first came out and found the build very messy , nothing recent tho so cant really comment.

        Having dealt with the Alex and the Profitec I can confidently say the Profitec 700 has a far better build quality over the Alex and quieter. , also the shot timer is also a damn cool feature.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by nzcoffeetech View Post
          I looked at the R58 when they first came out and found the build very messy , nothing recent tho so cant really comment.

          Having dealt with the Alex and the Profitec I can confidently say the Profitec 700 has a far better build quality over the Alex and quieter. , also the shot timer is also a damn cool feature.
          Sorry- It may be that NZ machines are not of the same spec as Australian machines. I haven't used a rotary pump machine quieter than the Duetto.

          On build quality, I am yet to see inside a Profitec, but I have not seen better internal build nor internal finish than the current build Izzo and we have photos to support the statement on our website. Profitec may well be on par. I'd be putting my faith in the first hand experience of Jetblack on that front.

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          • #20
            Dont get me wrong the Izzo has great build quality and 12 months ago I would have said they were the best machine $ for $ , but after having them side by side my personal choice is easily the Profitec.

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            • #21
              I took my ECM Technika Profi IV for service at Jetblack Espresso's workshop. They happened to have a Profitec 700 available for me to play with. I ended up trading in and walking out with the Profitec (most expensive machine service ever).

              I've pulled quite a few shots since and have spent a lot of time with the Scace as well. The Profitec is very temperature stable intrashot (doesn't vary more than 0.2*C) and given at least a minute between shots the intershot temperature stability is also very good. Steam pressure is excellent. Build quality high. Quietness of the rotary pump really is noticeable.

              What did I prefer in the ECM over the Profitec? I like the lever handles on the ECM for steam and hot water, although the "no crush" dials work well on the Profitec. I like the steam boiler and extraction pressure gauges high. I prefer the solid edges of the cup warming tray on the ECM and I also preferred the way you could flip up half of the warming tray on the ECM to refill the reservoir (you need to take the whole tray off the Profitec).

              In the end though I upgraded because of the difference in the cup. I've posted a number of times about how happy I was with the ECM. The Profitec (amazingly to me) has taken the quality of espresso shots up to a whole different level. I've lowered temperature to 92*C and it enhances the enzymatic flavours, reduces the roasty dry distillates and provides a cleaner, more elegant acidity profile. I think that the clarity of the flavours on the dual boiler is fantastic.

              Thanks to Charlie, Debbie, Andrew and Michael at Jetblack Espresso. As always they're really friendly and helpful and clearly love their coffee machines!

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              • #22
                One more thing to add (and I feel a little silly typing this)... I now love the shot timer. I didn't think I was going to look at it at all, but I think that it can help with consistency when grind and dose are dialled in properly.

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                • #23
                  Thanks for the kind words kwantfm. Enjoy the new machine and keep the tasting notes coming. The funny thing is, my experience with the shot timer is exactly the same.

                  charlie

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                  • #24
                    I've spent a good hour and a half playing with the Scace. I didn't like the PID overshoot so ended up reducing the P constant for the PID down to 0.9 from manufacturer's recommended 2.5. With a target brew temperature of 92*C it takes the brew boiler about 40 seconds to fully recover following a 27 second extraction. I have relatively slow work flow as I hand grind with an HG one so a low P constant doesn't impact me negatively. Intrashot temperature profile is a slight rise of between 0.4*C and 1.0*C. Average is about 0.5*C though and I'm not sure what caused the single instance of a 1.0*C rise that I saw. I also found that an E1 setting of 12 (down from manufacturer's recommended 14) produced a good match between PID reading and Scace.
                    Last edited by kwantfm; 3 August 2014, 10:56 PM.

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                    • #25
                      I'm interested in this machine and have a couple of questions.

                      I run my current HX machine off a Wemo switch which has a maximum rating of 2400watts.

                      The profitec has two boilers with a total wattage of 2600. Does the machine ever run both boilers at full tilt simultaneously?

                      Any other reasons it couldn't be run off a timer switch?

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                      • #26
                        You can alter the way the machine powers the boilers via the PID display. I think that the default setting gets the brew boiler to temperature first then energises the steam boiler. I run my Profitec 700 via a Wemo.

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                        • #27
                          Perfect. Thanks!

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                          • #28
                            One more - how long is the warmup time before you can brew?

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                            • #29
                              The boilers get up to temperature quite quickly, but it's the time taken for the E61 group head to get to a stable temperature that is the real issue. I give mine 30-40 minutes.

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                              • #30
                                Thanks. About the same as I allow on my current Elektra.

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