Profitec Pro 700

[herzog]

Profitec Pro 700

I looked at both, as they are similar machines and close in price.

Two factors swung it to the Profitec - build quality (including stainless steel internals), and the internal PID with shotclock.

Have a look at the teardown videos on YouTube. Really nice engineering.

Also, isn't the KitchenAid a mixmaster type thing??

[Muchito]

Hi CS's

I am new here and am currently thinking of getting a new machine. I started off looking at the Giotto Evoluzione V2 and the Vibiemme Super Lever 2. At that time I was pretty sure that I will buy one of these two machines. However, at the weekend I went to Jetblack and had a look at some of their display... Now I moved away from those machines and am looking at the R58 and the Proiftec Pro 700. When reading all the posts about these machines, I come to the conclusion that both machines seems to be extremely good and that it basically comes down to personal preference.

Would you coffee lovers agree to that, or are there any major issues with one or the other?

I currently have a Kitchenaid Artisan. It makes ok-ish Espressos, however, the steaming of the machine is less than great imo.

[herzog]

I've had mine a couple of weeks now and thought I'd check back in with some feedback.

As background to buying the machine, I've been running an Elektra SA for about 5 years and have been looking to update to a double boiler machine. My main use is Espressos and Americanos for me, Caps for the Mrs, and "fluffy milk" for the (young) kids, plus whatever guests want.

The machines under consideration were the GS/3, Controvento, Vesuvius and the Profitec.

Three of the machines got ruled out:

GS/3 - too ugly, Mrs didn't want it in the kitchen (LOL)
Controvento - too expensive
Vesuvius - was close on this one. Intriguing machine, but ultimately the programmability wasn't for me. I'm more of a set-and-forget user, rather than fartarseing around with settings all day.

So two weeks on and the Profitec has more than met expectations.

The ease of use factor is very high. As long as your grind is ok, its very hard to pull a bad shot on this machine. The shot timer is a great feature, and I'm surprised it's not more common, as it's a total no brainer. Also great is the extra riser for the drip tray. This allows you to get espresso cups closer to the spouts, while still offering clearance for larger cups.

Steaming is also very straightforward and hard to get wrong. It's a little too powerful for the smallest jugs, but ideal for medium or larger milk jugs

I've got the boilers running at 94 and 125C for the moment and that seems to be working for me.

It looks good on the bench. The styling is plain, but it has presence - bit of a Germanic "utilitarian" thing going on. It looks like it was cut from a block of solid gleaming stainless steel.

[herzog]

Comes with a hole which is sealed off with a bolt and washer. There's a little kit with tubing etc in the box for plumbing the drip tray.

[Draeger]

Ok got mine and very impressed so far. Lots of nice stainless steel and the workmanship is fantastic.

I have the newer design with the plumbable driptray, so it must be fresh off the boat.

Hi Herzog. Would you mind posting a photo of the drip tray? Does it come with a hole?

[herzog]

Profitec Pro 700

Ok got mine and very impressed so far. Lots of nice stainless steel and the workmanship is fantastic.

I have the newer design with the plumbable driptray, so it must be fresh off the boat.

[brettreaby]

looks like a fantastic machine; beautifully built like the izzo duetto.

i love the idea of the shot timer in the pid: i have a timer velcroed to the wall to time my shots - this would solve that.

i dont think i can justify a changeover from the izzo just for a timer.

how do they compare $ wise; is there much in it?

Heres a great youtube video with an overview of the 700 , amazing machines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTLp2hQowG8

[herzog]

Thanks. About the same as I allow on my current Elektra.

[kwantfm]

The boilers get up to temperature quite quickly, but it's the time taken for the E61 group head to get to a stable temperature that is the real issue. I give mine 30-40 minutes.

[herzog]

One more - how long is the warmup time before you can brew?

[herzog]

Perfect. Thanks!

[kwantfm]

You can alter the way the machine powers the boilers via the PID display. I think that the default setting gets the brew boiler to temperature first then energises the steam boiler. I run my Profitec 700 via a Wemo.

[herzog]

I'm interested in this machine and have a couple of questions.

I run my current HX machine off a Wemo switch which has a maximum rating of 2400watts.

The profitec has two boilers with a total wattage of 2600. Does the machine ever run both boilers at full tilt simultaneously?

Any other reasons it couldn't be run off a timer switch?

[kwantfm]

I've spent a good hour and a half playing with the Scace. I didn't like the PID overshoot so ended up reducing the P constant for the PID down to 0.9 from manufacturer's recommended 2.5. With a target brew temperature of 92*C it takes the brew boiler about 40 seconds to fully recover following a 27 second extraction. I have relatively slow work flow as I hand grind with an HG one so a low P constant doesn't impact me negatively. Intrashot temperature profile is a slight rise of between 0.4*C and 1.0*C. Average is about 0.5*C though and I'm not sure what caused the single instance of a 1.0*C rise that I saw. I also found that an E1 setting of 12 (down from manufacturer's recommended 14) produced a good match between PID reading and Scace.

[JetBlack_Espresso]

Thanks for the kind words kwantfm. Enjoy the new machine and keep the tasting notes coming. The funny thing is, my experience with the shot timer is exactly the same.

charlie