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    LM have released the Linea mini in the US. Looks as if it might be pitched in price towards the top end of the dual boiler range, but below that of a GS/3. I first saw pics of this one about a year ago.

    Really clunky sounding temp control and loses the saturated group of all other LM stuff. For me, the design just doesn't do it and borders on fugly, but it will no doubt have its fans. I guess it's the "built to a price" variant. I guess the black works ok.

    I'll get excited if/when the GS/3 absorbs the gear pump and tech of the Strada MP.

    • Integrated Group (not saturated)
    • 3.5 L tank
    • Dual boiler
    • Internal Rotary pump
    • barista lights
    • Jog Wheel temp control of PID
    • not plumbable
    • colours
    • EE paddle group
    • Hot water fixed at 100 deg. C
    • Preset (2 sec) preinfusion


    No news on it coming this way yet.

    Daily Coffee News by Roast Magazine – La Marzocco Unveils a Mini Model of the Linea Classic for High-End Home Use

    Last edited by TC; 25 March 2015, 08:18 AM.

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    LM Linea mini

    To be honest I quite like the styling of it. It's a shame about not being a saturated group, but I guess they want to keep that exclusively for the Gs3.

    I initially thought the paddle operation would allow for pre infusion control, but unfortunately it doesn't, the paddle only operates a micro switch.

    It will be interesting to see the price for AUS. It might be a hard seller if it's at around $5000 + ??
    Last edited by muzz88; 25 March 2015, 10:51 AM.

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    • #3
      So, in the US, it's 4.5k, because apparently the gap between the 2.5k and 6k+ machines needs filling.

      What I don't understand is, if I can get a (properly) PID'd Quickmill Vertrano 2B (double boiler, rotary pump, E61 group) machine for sub-2.5k, what am I getting here for my 1500 bucks?

      No paddle preinfusion, no saturated group, ok, so it has work lighting, which I think is cool, but that's hardly make-or-break.

      The comparable PID'd Rocket/Izzo DBs are still sub-3k, too.

      Heck, the Vesuvius is 4.5k. What possible reason would someone have not to buy that instead? (serious question)

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      • #4
        It's not a saturated group, but it's not exposed like an E61 so expect that the thermal stability is high. It's also got Linea cool (I'm a big fan of the classic Linea) and it's an LM so I think some of the premium goes there. Otherwise, Dragunov21, I agree with you. I don't have any urge to shift from my Profitec 700 to the Linea Mini. If it had a Strada paddle and an actual PID readout so that I was sure of brew temp then things might change for me.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by muzz88 View Post
          It will be interesting to see the price for AUS. It might be a hard seller if it's at around $5000 + ??
          I doubt it will be made in the 220/240v market unless it's a huge success Stateside.

          I too first heard about it 11.5 months ago (at SCAA) and it was developed/designed in a partnership between LM USA and one of the best aftermarket coffee bits guys in the USA.

          The Linea is huge in the USA, remember every Starbucks had one and in a market that is fairly new to espresso the Linea is the look that Americans think of first when talking espresso machinery.

          I think it looks great, and expect it will make good coffee too. Pity it doesn't tick all the geeky features but if looks and badge are important then this ticks the boxes and I expect it's resale value will be higher than a lot of comparable machines too.

          I'll get to have a play with an American voltage one next month and will let you know what I think when I've seen and tried one in the flesh.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Andy View Post
            The Linea is huge in the USA, remember every Starbucks had one and in a market that is fairly new to espresso the Linea is the look that Americans think of first when talking espresso machinery.
            Was this before the move to superautos, or what?

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            • #7
              Hate to repeat what others have said but I just can't help myself.. I think it looks hideous.. I'd take the Vesuvius easily if my budget was in this $range.

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              • #8
                I hope that Andy does get to have a play and it's somehow a massive surprise- but I doubt it.

                Must say that other than the rotary pump, I'm struggling to see what it offers over the Lelit P60T (diana). I was figuring it might come to market in the $3.5k to $4k region and really feel that if it does come to Australia, it will have a very difficult time. Our market is well informed and expects far more from a $5k+ machine. No way would I save a grand and buy this over the GS/3.

                Sorta reminds me of the olden days when Holden thought that a wheezy 4 cylinder Holden Commode would be a good idea. I'm more than happy to chow down on a big slice of humble if it turns out to be the next revelation- but I doubt it.

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                • #9
                  Agree, I don't think it's possible for this to be the next revelation.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Andy View Post
                    I doubt it will be made in the 220/240v market unless it's a huge success Stateside..
                    why would LM not exploit their largest market zone .....(240v Europe) ??

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by blend52 View Post
                      why would LM not exploit their largest market zone .....(240v Europe) ??
                      Putting aside that this is aimed for home use, if you exclude Starbucks then I'd say LM machines are in a far higher proportion of US cafes than they are in Europe, therefore they have a greater market presence in the minds of serious US coffee drinkers than their European equivalents.

                      On each trip I make to the US it seems LM machines are completely ubiquitous in decent cafes.

                      Plus distribution of heavy items like coffee machines is a helluva lot easier (i.e. cheaper) in the US than Europe.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jonathon View Post
                        Putting aside that this is aimed for home use, if you exclude Starbucks then I'd say LM machines are in a far higher proportion of US cafes than they are in Europe, therefore they have a greater market presence in the minds of serious US coffee drinkers than their European equivalents.

                        On each trip I make to the US it seems LM machines are completely ubiquitous in decent cafes.

                        Plus distribution of heavy items like coffee machines is a helluva lot easier (i.e. cheaper) in the US than Europe.
                        This is true, of the half-dozen good spots I've been to (thus far) around SoCal, all but one are using LM and the other one I can't recall.

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                        • #13
                          I don't have the precise numbers, but I know from personal experience that it is far easier to find an espresso equipped cafe in any European city, than it is in any American city. Sure, many of them will be "buss stop" or train station outlets but it's also common for most European restaurants (and many bars), to be "espresso equipped" .
                          In population, Europe out scales the USA many fold , and in terms of espresso cafe outlets I suspect the ratio is even more !
                          It's fair bet that you are never more than a 100 mts or so from an Espresso equipped coffee outlet or restaurant. ,
                          Finding an Espresso in anywhere other than big city America, can be a fruitless exercise.
                          LM's reputation in Europe is just as respected as any other country, it's just that they have more competitors in the commercial side than they possibly have in the US.

                          another review..
                          http://sprudge.com/first-look-at-the...ini-73298.html
                          interesting that the data plate states "Made in Italy" ?
                          Last edited by blend52; 26 March 2015, 03:24 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by blend52 View Post
                            LM's reputation in Europe is just as respected as any other country, it's just that they have more competitors in the commercial side than they possibly have in the US.
                            Yep that's my point, in the US they have the very clear market leader tag amongst cafes, and anybody who's dropping 5 large on one of these would surely be a regular visitor to top drawer cafes - even if it needs a lengthy drive to get to one.

                            Another point worth considering is that the GS3 is quite expensive in the US, generally listed for more USD than you can get it here in AUD. So at 5k this is quite a bit cheaper than the GS3, and therefore there's enough of a price gap, whereas here I think they'd struggle to differentiate the price.

                            Plus, what price are second hand Lineas here? It doesn't cost that much to get a sparky to run a 20a wire from your board and it'll be plumbed in.

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                            • #15
                              Quote post # 13..." ......LM's reputation in Europe is just as respected as any other country, it's just that they have more competitors in the commercial side than they possibly have in the US...."

                              Really?...... I dont know about the rest of europe, but in Italy, LM is virtually unknown. The branding phenomenon here, that is LM, is a US driven collaboration, AFAIK.

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