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  • Thegrinch
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    Originally posted by symphonie View Post
    The difference between a Rocket Giotto and a $6k machine may not be as big as you might think, esp in coffee flavour, even more so if you drink milk based coffees.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuIOlsdDg_o
    Interesting, got to be honest, not my machine, thats a R58, not a giotto pp, and not very scientific, N=1 so I wouldn't take much notice of that.
    Last edited by Thegrinch; 27 August 2017, 01:51 PM.

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  • Thegrinch
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    Thanks LeroyC, lots of options. I've been considering the Baratza Sette 270W. Seems reasonably priced and grind to a weight which, if it works as advertised would be great. Have any experience on this model?

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  • symphonie
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    The difference between a Rocket Giotto and a $6k machine may not be as big as you might think, esp in coffee flavour, even more so if you drink milk based coffees.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuIOlsdDg_o

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  • LeroyC
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    Originally posted by Thegrinch View Post
    Why is it so bad, I'm not keen to get the Fiorenzato or anything with a dose chamber where ground beans can sit for a day or 2, at least the cunill grinds the amount you use at that moment. I want something that does that so it's freshly ground each use. Can you bypass the dose unit on the Fiorenzato?
    Yes of course. Get a doserless electronic grinder that has low grind retention. That way worse case scenario you'll have to purge a couple of grams from the chute before the day's coffee making. There are many options that fit this spec, but here's a few examples:

    • Macap M4D
    • Compak E6
    • Eureka Atom
    • Fiorenzato F4E

    Or if you want one that's still electronic, but has a funnel so you can access the chute for cleaning (which is not a bad idea), look at:

    • Quamar M80E
    • Rocket Fausto
    • Mazzer SJ E or Major E
    • Profitec T64

    All these grinders will be an improvement over the Cunill. Some more than others but they're all at least easier to use, probably a bit faster and some may even grind better.

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  • magnafunk
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    I have a doserless fiorenzato, I'm actually not really into the chute on it but it's what I have and I got it for a good price.

    If I had the dough I'd be inclined to go for a compak k10 fresh, a kony e or a macap m7d. Fortunately for my kids, my wife doesn't share my passion for blowing money on gadgetry, so the fiorenzato will remain on the bench until it's death, which judging from its build quality will be quite some time after my own

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  • brettreaby
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    i can highly recommend the ACS Vesuvius.

    I have now had this machine for 10 months and I find it makes great coffee, easy to use and looks great.

    I don't mess with the profiles at all now they are set. but thats ok.

    I like;

    looks [ each to their own but i really like it]
    finish and build ( exceptional)
    shot timer
    quiet operation
    on/off timer. [ very quick warm up anyway ]

    My next and only upgrade would be the Kees VDW Speedster- just because it looks amazing.

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    I had an Izzo Alex Duetto before that which was also good but Vesuvius is better. Ialso have the ECM grinder but do not recommend it: not as consistent grind as the Macap M4D which i prefer.


    Nice problem to have....
    Last edited by brettreaby; 27 August 2017, 10:47 AM. Reason: add pic

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  • Thegrinch
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    Why is it so bad, I'm not keen to get the Fiorenzato or anything with a dose chamber where ground beans can sit for a day or 2, at least the cunill grinds the amount you use at that moment. I want something that does that so it's freshly ground each use. Can you bypass the dose unit on the Fiorenzato?

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  • LeroyC
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    Originally posted by Thegrinch View Post
    I agree, although the cunil seems pretty good, I even seen it in a few cafes. Biggest problem is dose can vary a bit but I'm sure that can happen a lot.
    Believe me, the Cunill is terrible when compared to something new and superior. Add to my list of grinder makers above top end Fiorenzato and Quamar and you've got a fairly comprehensive list to choose from. If you're looking to improve ease of use and consistency then the single biggest gain will be found in a new grinder. I'm not saying don't buy a new machine as well, I'm just saying start with the grinder.

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  • Thegrinch
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    Thanks don't know that one, does it have a good reputation.

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  • Thegrinch
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    I agree, although the cunil seems pretty good, I even seen it in a few cafes. Biggest problem is dose can vary a bit but I'm sure that can happen a lot.

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  • magnafunk
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    Seriously what Leroy said. Get a good grinder and you may find yourself happy with the rocket. When I had my super jolly I scoffed when someone here suggested that a big conical might improve consistency. Well not long after I got a Fiorenzato f63k and it was a game changer for me. Pretty close to set and forget, I now have an F71EK and I change the grind and dose maybe once a week at most. Granted, the weather hasn't changed here for 6 months but even when we were in Melbourne I rarely had to change the grind.

    A lot of options out there under 2k, you could get almost anything if you're happy with second hand.

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  • LeroyC
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    Good advice from Javaphile. Could be worth looking into.

    And the DE1+ Pro is in this price range.

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  • Jono_Willmer
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    Best Machine approx $6k budget?

    Second hand gs3, you'll get one that's been modded and might look better than stock with useful upgrades.

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  • JMcCee
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    Nothing like a vintage thoroughbred lever to get the juices going.

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/coffee-har...a-1-group.html

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  • artman
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    As above, once you get into the decent machine territory, the improvements would be very minor and all will make fantastic FWs given the right ingredients and techniques.

    So what I would do is visit shops and view/play with as many as possible. I find they generally look quite different in the flesh than in pics. You will know when you see something that is right for you, and almost guaranteed you wont be disappointed with performance at this price range.

    Happy shopping, I wish I had this dilema!!!

    Cheers

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