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  • tempestv8
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    Where can I find a picture of a naked La Pavoni Dual Boiler unit? I am curious to see the internals, mainly as I am wondering how it's possible to package two boilers and pumps inside a Giotto machine. How does it all physically fit? Am curious because I came across this picture only today, and have been ignorant of the La Pavoni Dual unit all this while.

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    I have had the pleasure of owning and using a Rocket Giotto Evo V1 daily for the last 10 years, and am super pleased with just how reliable it has been. So I'm a bit surprised that La Pavoni has a virtual similar shaped machine and name. Any how, I now have a morbid curiousity re the dual boiler setup, mostly from a plumbing / engineering point of view.

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  • Beaninlove
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    Thanks for advice guys-on this as well as an earlier thread. The La Pav does have a stainless frame as well. I just bought the La Pavoni Giotto Dual Boiler PID and a Eureka ATOM grinder. Bought them through (site sponsor) Casa Espresso in Brighton, VIC. Dealt with Anthony, who was very helpful.
    Thanks to all.
    Shane.

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  • ArtW
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    To me the only real reason for a Rotary pump is if you may plumb the machine in the future. Dual boiler may be handy though as stated far from necessary. When I’m leaving my machine on all day (weekends or when I’m working from home), I like to leave the steam boiler off, to keep the temp lower whilst still being able to make a coffee with about 5 minutes notice, something not possible with a HX.

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  • Yelta
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    Originally posted by Dimal View Post
    Yes mate, it was and still is for that matter.
    Haven't heard back from the new owner, though I was assured that they would. Will wait and see I guess...

    Mal.
    They say "No news is good news"

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  • Dimal
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    Originally posted by Yelta View Post
    Must have been a sad day when you had to move the Diadema on, have you heard how the new owner is getting on with it?
    Yes mate, it was and still is for that matter.
    Haven't heard back from the new owner, though I was assured that they would. Will wait and see I guess...

    Mal.

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  • Yelta
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    Originally posted by Dimal View Post
    Always loved my Dual Boiler machine...

    Enabled me to eke the absolute best out of every roast batch I ever did. Was never just set'n'forget...
    Also, extra maintenance was never required over that of a HX machine, which I also owned.
    Sure, there is extra complexity of plumbing and wiring, but if it is done well, it won't cause any problems.
    Can't remember the last time a copper pipe let me down...

    All else being equal, I would take my DB Diadema back in a heartbeat...

    Mal.
    We always seem to agree to disagree on electronics Dimal, must admit I am pretty much a set and forget type (to a degree, I'm not an experimenter) as long as extractions are meeting my quality standards I tend to leave well enough alone, having said that, I tried Nicks recipe for Greek iced espresso the other day and was pleasantly surprised, so I'm not completely closed minded.

    I've never had a copper pipe fail either, although over the years have had a couple of components in the flow path let me down.

    Must have been a sad day when you had to move the Diadema on, have you heard how the new owner is getting on with it?
    Last edited by Yelta; 18 February 2018, 07:27 PM.

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  • Dimal
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    Always loved my Dual Boiler machine...

    Enabled me to eke the absolute best out of every roast batch I ever did. Was never just set'n'forget...
    Also, extra maintenance was never required over that of a HX machine, which I also owned.
    Sure, there is extra complexity of plumbing and wiring, but if it is done well, it won't cause any problems.
    Can't remember the last time a copper pipe let me down...

    All else being equal, I would take my DB Diadema back in a heartbeat...

    Mal.

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  • Yelta
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    Originally posted by Ronin View Post
    It’s no more maintenance, extra power tho with 2 elements instead of 1.
    I don’t find it complex but I’m not the average user 😉
    I have much more complex coffee toys at work
    What I'm referring to is 2 x boilers and associated plumbing and electronics to maintain and potentially fail instead of one.

    By complex I mean complexity of build and repair, not difficulty of use.

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  • mbg963
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    I have a dual boiler rotary pump machine and if i had to forego one of those features it would be the dual boiler. Nice to have but the relative low noise of the rotary pump is really something I could not live without now.

    Having lived through the pre purchase comparison nightmare of which machine to choose best advice i can give is to visit a showroom if possible. Having a bunch of machines on display and plugged in that you see in the flesh and play with really helped me.

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  • Ronin
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    Originally posted by Yelta View Post
    For home use, 3 or 4 coffees a day, I cant see how a dual boiler would be of any benefit at all to the average user.

    What I see is extra complexity and maintenance.
    It’s no more maintenance, extra power tho with 2 elements instead of 1.
    I don’t find it complex but I’m not the average user ��
    I have much more complex coffee toys at work

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  • Beaninlove
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    Thanks for that to these replies thus far- I'm already really glad I've joined 'the brotherhood of snobery'.

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  • Yelta
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    Originally posted by Ronin View Post
    Dual boiler at home is overkill. I have one & unless I was getting a top end machine I eg speedster slayer ect I wouldn’t bother again. The only benefit is a pid which gives you individual control over the brew boiler, but to be honest once you get over the ‘play with new toys’ factor it’ll mostly be left the same.
    IMOP look at a heat exchanger E61 like the ECM barista for $2300 which leaves $$$ for a grinder
    For home use, 3 or 4 coffees a day, I cant see how a dual boiler would be of any benefit at all to the average user.

    What I see is extra complexity and maintenance.

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  • Ronin
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    Dual boiler at home is overkill. I have one & unless I was getting a top end machine I eg speedster slayer ect I wouldn’t bother again. The only benefit is a pid which gives you individual control over the brew boiler, but to be honest once you get over the ‘play with new toys’ factor it’ll mostly be left the same.
    IMOP look at a heat exchanger E61 like the ECM barista for $2300 which leaves $$$ for a grinder

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  • artman
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    I reckon once you are spending $2k plus, all the machines will be capable of fantastic coffee with the right ingredients and technique. The difference come down to preferences in looks, feel etc, even in minor detail designs etc. Best to check a few out in the flesh and see what you like the look and feel of. You cant really go wrong in my opinion.

    I have had amazing coffee from a cheap single boiler, and the results out of a dual boiler PID I now have is not vastly different. Yes it is much nicer to use and look at but end result differences can be small.

    Re vib v rotary, some vibe pumps are quite quiet, some are quite noisy. Main difference in rotary pump is the lack of noise and the feel of refinement compared to vibe. But some vibes these days are well setup and quiet. Rotary can also be plumbed in (machine dependent) if you ever want to go that way.

    Cheers

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  • Javaphile
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    The Quote Form link, which will send your request for a quote to all sponsors, can be found at the top and bottom of all pages.


    Java "FYI" phile

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