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  • #16
    Upps... we still have one Synchronika left with the new upgrade if any one is interested.

    Renzo

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    • #17
      Received my parts for the upgrade today and fitted them. Install took a little longer than I thought it would, also didn't realise I also needed the new 2.5Bar relief valve. Also didn't realise once you install it you get the "FIL" code come up and require to input the updated PID settings. Some install instructions would have been good....

      Thanks to Jet Black for the parts

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      • #18
        I received my parts and installed them yesterday too. Thanks JetBlack!

        I followed the instructions on the Clive coffee site. I wish I'd known beforehand that it's a bit more fiddly than it looks on the videos, and having _flared_ spanners (especially 21mm) really helps. I thought I'd get by with an adjustable wrench, but that turned out not to be the case - things are a bit too tight. A trip to the hardware store later, and I was back on track.

        The "FIL" code threw me for a bit too, but after working my way through the clive coffee settings guide, I got it all sorted.

        I'm _really_ happy with the upgrade now though. The combination of the higher temperature/pressure, and the more aggressive PID configuration for the steam boiler seems to have made a huge difference. Highly recommended upgrade.

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        • #19
          What was the end cost ?

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          • #20
            Total was approx $300 AUD..

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            • #21
              Thanks. Seems steep for just some extra steam. 8% of machine cost approx.

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              • #22
                Perhaps. I guess we all have our hobbies in my case I wanted to replace the PID because some of the LED segments had failed, and the steam upgrade made it worthwhile to do. That said, paying $300 to fix a few broken LED segments even with a steam upgrade is probably a questionable decision for some too. *shrug*

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                • #23
                  Yeah I completely get it. My synkronika isn’t 9 months old and I can justify it just yet tbh.

                  My led is fine so I’ll wait til something goes wrong there.

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                  • #24
                    I grabbed a 4 hole tip at the same time (currently using 2 hole tip with third hole drilled). The 4 hole is almost too much steam, will go back to the 3 hole I think.

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                    • #25
                      There's something wrong with the intrinsic design and engineering of a machine, if after such a short time, you feel the need to upgrade aspects of its operating performance in one or more areas.

                      For example, my last twin boiler machine was capable of excellent performance in both key areas of texturing milk and wonderful espresso. Stretching ~300ml of milk with perfect, glossy microfoam took approx. 15 seconds - Every time. Espresso pours were always spot-on to suit my palate also and in my case, that was 45-50g from 24g of coffee. To get the machine to this point from initial delivery to our house, took all of 2-3 days of fine tuning and thereafter, was where it stayed. Brew water temperature was occasionally adjusted to suit roast batches where I missed the ideal roast profile but in all cases, never more than +/- 1.5Deg.C from a midpoint of 92Deg.C...

                      I guess the point I'm trying to make is, get to know the operating characteristics of your machine by testing its limits and then start to zero in on a setup that allows your machine to perform as you want, without spending additional money on "improvements" that are probably not even necessary...

                      Mal.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Dimal View Post
                        There's something wrong with the intrinsic design and engineering of a machine, if after such a short time, you feel the need to upgrade aspects of its operating performance in one or more areas.
                        As a long-time 'hacker' (in the original sense of the word), I prefer to see it another way. There's something really _good_ about the intrinsic design and engineering of a machine if it's serviceable and upgradable and capable of doing things beyond it's original design specifications with relatively minor modifications. That you can take a great machine and easily make it better justifies my original investment even more.

                        Originally posted by Dimal View Post
                        I guess the point I'm trying to make is, get to know the operating characteristics of your machine by testing its limits and then start to zero in on a setup that allows your machine to perform as you want, without spending additional money on "improvements" that are probably not even necessary...
                        We'll have to agree to disagree here. In my world view, just because something works - even if it works well - it doesn't mean that it can't or shouldn't be made even better. Continuous improvement is the name of the game.

                        I love my Synchronika. I loved it before the upgrade. I love it even more now

                        D.

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                        • #27
                          Upgrade totally not required. I was happy with the milk before but i'm just one of those people who these type of improvements appeal to. I was more than happy with the steam power and frothing speed with the steam temp set at 127 deg prior to the upgrade.

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                          • #28
                            I guess that to many the extra steam pressure is a nice to have and not a have to have. To others (inc me) it’s more of a very very very nice to have :-)
                            Grillsy

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                            • #29
                              Yeah I don’t know the difference but as mine is it’s fine. For sub 100 I would take the gamble and see what’s its like.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by gundy View Post
                                As a long-time 'hacker' (in the original sense of the word), I prefer to see it another way. There's something really _good_ about the intrinsic design and engineering of a machine if it's serviceable and upgradable and capable of doing things beyond it's original design specifications with relatively minor modifications. That you can take a great machine and easily make it better justifies my original investment even more.



                                We'll have to agree to disagree here. In my world view, just because something works - even if it works well - it doesn't mean that it can't or shouldn't be made even better. Continuous improvement is the name of the game.

                                I love my Synchronika. I loved it before the upgrade. I love it even more now

                                D.
                                Indeed...

                                We'll have to agree to disagree on several points.

                                Mal.

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