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  • #16
    Lifted from another thread. "Very interesting to compare design and build quality of the Lelit Bianca and Profitec Pro 600 internally."

    Lelit Bianca internal - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW72A1SmQZ4

    Profitec Pro 600 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebdzV7dExa8

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    • #17
      Originally posted by CafeLotta View Post
      With the various deals out there on Hx machines, the Profitec Pro 600 may struggle for traction in the marketplace though at the price point of approx. $3400. I suppose time will tell.
      Don't really understand why the advertised price of the Profitec 600 in the UK is approx. $3000(Aud) and in the USA around $3150(Aud), yet here in Australia $3399?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by CafeLotta View Post
        Don't really understand why the advertised price of the Profitec 600 in the UK is approx. $3000(Aud) and in the USA around $3150(Aud), yet here in Australia $3399?
        I would guess shipping costs and the local importer doing testing here before shipping to clients. Also note many Australian distributors include freight. Perhaps that accounts for price difference. As an exercise try and find out shipping costs fro UK. Comparison to USA with this would need to factor in conversion to 240 volt.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by gordons View Post
          I would guess shipping costs and the local importer doing testing here before shipping to clients. Also note many Australian distributors include freight. Perhaps that accounts for price difference. As an exercise try and find out shipping costs fro UK. Comparison to USA with this would need to factor in conversion to 240 volt.
          Aust. shipping costs Approx. $75. Equivalent shipping inside UK $55AUD. It's not a case of what it would cost to ship from the UK but rather on a direct comparison we pay more for the same product here. It's a captive market here. I've even heard of another brand's distributor instructing retailers not to discount or he will stop supplying them if they do. This price fixing is actually illegal but does occurr unfortunately.

          https://www.accc.gov.au/business/ant...s/price-fixing

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          • #20
            You'll find it's related to a range of factors, from local electrical compliance costs, import costs & duties, distributor/importer margins, then add on domestic freight & handling + the re-seller's margins + being a smaller market with little competition = welcome to the fun of Australia. It's not really worth considering importing one from the UK (not USA given the inverter costs) unless there's a significant price difference ie $600+. When you add freight costs + 5% import duties, +10% GST, +$150 freight clearance charges + any voltage difference & warranty issues the difference disappears very fast.

            I'm actively in the market for a Pro 600 and have had my eye out for awhile now. Hoping one of the resellers has a Black Friday or Boxing Day sale that I can save a little more on. We'll see.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Nugmo View Post
              I'm actively in the market for a Pro 600 and have had my eye out for awhile now. Hoping one of the resellers has a Black Friday or Boxing Day sale that I can save a little more on. We'll see.
              I suspect a few people were interested but baulked at the price we have to pay here. I was really keen for a while and had hoped the price would settle back closer to $3000. Gone cold on the idea now as they just seem too expensive in my opinion. The lack of reviews compared to other machines in the price bracket might back this up somewhat.

              As far as the sales go, I've noticed that the real bargains are few and far between. On the 'Bay quite a few retailers mark up their prices so the offered discounts (10%) etc bring you back near the normal price. Have seen this with TVs, computer parts, even espresso machines.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by CafeLotta View Post
                Don't really understand why the advertised price of the Profitec 600 in the UK is approx. $3000(Aud) and in the USA around $3150(Aud), yet here in Australia $3399?
                Geeze if that’s full AU RRP including GST I think that Australian pricing pretty darned close to overseas pricing. It’s within about 10%. That’s pretty good. Street pricing might be a little lower than RRP.

                Don’t forget these things weigh something like 40kgs and there’s costs involved in shipping to the opposite corner of the world.

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                • #23
                  CafeLotta, $250 really is bugger all difference when you compare distance to ship (Italy to UK is one truck, about the distance from Brisbane to Melbourne), C tick compliance, offering backup support to a tiny user base over a continent the size of Europe or USA, etc, etc. $250 a unit gets eaten up very quickly and there are substantially different requirements thrust upon the importer of record than an individual importer.

                  That said I understand if your well tuned value judgement considers the 7% difference beyond the pale.

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                  • #24
                    Yeah I understand that. I figured it would be a pretty good machine given the rave reviews of thew 500 & 700. I also think it's a lot more attractive so would win more wife points. It's a in difficult bracket tho, and the 500 is a real viable competitor of the 600 for 90% of users. I also found it interesting that not many of the re-sellers of the 600 actually had spent much time on the machine, I guess it's fairly new but it would have been good to get first hand feedback.

                    May end up going a 500 or pull the trigger on the 600! Who knows, if there's a sale on the 700 that becomes a option too! Gets a bit hazy after a while.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by 338 View Post
                      CafeLotta, $250 really is bugger all difference when you compare distance to ship (Italy to UK is one truck, about the distance from Brisbane to Melbourne), C tick compliance, offering backup support to a tiny user base over a continent the size of Europe or USA, etc, etc. $250 a unit gets eaten up very quickly and there are substantially different requirements thrust upon the importer of record than an individual importer.

                      That said I understand if your well tuned value judgement considers the 7% difference beyond the pale.
                      When most of the ECM machines for instance are on par or cheaper here than in the USA, my "well tuned value judgement" radar does go off.

                      ECM is often referred to as a sister company to Profitec.

                      The other thing to bear in mind is that warranty periods in the USA are often double or longer than the 1 year warranties we usually get here. That's extra dollar value that we are denied. I've also noticed extras like matching naked portafilters are rarely included here whereas overseas they're often included.
                      Last edited by CafeLotta; 21 November 2018, 11:32 AM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Nugmo View Post
                        Yeah I understand that. I figured it would be a pretty good machine given the rave reviews of thew 500 & 700. I also think it's a lot more attractive so would win more wife points. It's a in difficult bracket tho, and the 500 is a real viable competitor of the 600 for 90% of users. I also found it interesting that not many of the re-sellers of the 600 actually had spent much time on the machine, I guess it's fairly new but it would have been good to get first hand feedback.

                        May end up going a 500 or pull the trigger on the 600! Who knows, if there's a sale on the 700 that becomes a option too! Gets a bit hazy after a while.
                        Just get the 700. You know you want it. It’ll be worth it, no more wanting to upgrade, and those few hundred dollars extra amortised over 10 years or so is nothing 😊

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                        • #27
                          I agree CafeLotta, extended warranties are genuinely worth something.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by CafeLotta View Post
                            I've also noticed extras like matching naked portafilters are rarely included here whereas overseas they're often included.
                            Evening Cafelotta, competition and retailers scrambling for market share along with population size probably has quite a bit to do with this, once one business raises the bar others are forced to follow.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                              Evening Cafelotta, competition and retailers scrambling for market share along with population size probably has quite a bit to do with this, once one business raises the bar others are forced to follow.
                              Unfortunately the opposite is true too. Once retailers see their competitors have stopped discounting or raised prices, they are quick to follow suit. Price fixing on certain products also seems to have increased in more recent times. Personally, I avoid retailers that play the consumer for a mug. These days doing your background research on prices before you buy is more important than ever.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by CafeLotta View Post
                                Personally, I avoid retailers that play the consumer for a mug. These days doing your background research on prices before you buy is more important than ever.
                                Yet in this very thread you were pointing others in the direction of a retailer who has been playing consumers for a mug for a few years now! Not having a go at you, just pointing out how someone like you who is very knowledgeable about the market, the machines and does reseach was also fooled. There is more to the transaction than price, such as how easy it is to access back up service or warranty (often very hard to compare) and I can understand someone who pays a small margin to get peace of mind on an aspect of the transaction which matters to them.

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