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    What sort of interest is there in old 2grp machines for home use, given they need 20Amp connections & use a lot of power etc & not something you would normally fire up just to make 1 cup.
    When we bought the store just over 2 yrs ago we invested in a new 2grp Azkoyen (~7k from memory) & put the old San Remo(?) in the shed.
    We are currently planning for next year & 3grp is a requirement & we found a new toy we like but cant trade in.
    So is there a market for 2grp machines or if its worth next to nothing then should we just put it in the shed as a spare &/or for home coffees along with the San Remo?
    Thoughts appreciated.

  • #2
    Re: Commercial machines

    Hi MichelsBlackwood and welcome to CoffeeSnobs...

    Second hand machines are valued by some members here for home use (Like my La Cimbali).... but these are usually bought for very little, in need of some TLC - so we rebuild them... and they take pride of place in our kitchens.

    However, by the sound of it, your machine is pretty new and, at least in theory, should fetch a higher price than most here would want to pay.....

    Your best bet is probably the normal second hand catering goods sales areas - both on the internet and various publications. You might find someone setting up a small cafe who wants to save a bit on a machine and prepared to pay a reasonable price.....

    Best of luck.

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    • #3
      Re: Commercial machines

      My son works for an auction house that specialises in clearing second hand catering equipment.
      You should look to see if there are any similar establishments in your neck of the woods.


      P.S. Welcome.

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      • #4
        Re: Commercial machines

        Originally posted by Thundergod link=1194948739/0#2 date=1194949868
        My son works for an auction house that specialises in clearing second hand catering equipment.
        You should look to see if there are any similar establishments in your neck of the woods.


        P.S. Welcome.
        Thx. for welcome(s). The machine is good & has had regular TLC. eg we use coffee cleaner every night & soak the grp handles for 20 mins each every night. Shower screens & grp seals every couple of mths, new waterfilter every couple of mths, & I drain the boiler & back flush it 1st sunday each month & usually pull grp handles apart & clean em while Im waiting. Still Adelaide water being what it is Im sure there would be some scale in there. Prob with Auction houses (I considered it 2yrs ago) is you never know what your buying & cant test etc. In this case we "demo" the machine couple hundred times every day :-).....hence  for we are looking / planning for something bigger. Even with depreciation WDV is still faily high after 2 yrs. Sounds like I should just park it in shed as a spare &/or for doing community events etc. Thx for your thoughts.  If your speaking to your son....hints on value would be appreciated, at least to give me something to work on.

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        • #5
          Re: Commercial machines

          Hes no expert on espresso machines and their value.
          Generally the client sets a reserve price.

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          • #6
            Re: Commercial machines

            Originally posted by Thundergod link=1194948739/0#4 date=1194952293
            Hes no expert on espresso machines and their value.
            Generally the client sets a reserve price.
            No Probs I understand.
            Maybe someone here will throw numbers around that will either excite or disappoint :-)

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            • #7
              Re: Commercial machines

              Gday Michels,

              Interesting this thread should appear today; my wife and I had afternoon tea at Michels at Colonnades and I was eyeing off their Azkoyen 3 group. Although the people behind the machine were starting the shot and letting it run on auto, the pour speed and shot colour actually looked quite good (from 7 metres anyway). Didnt risk it though, as Silvia was waiting at home already warmed up! The food was great but the iced chocolate was too sweet - tasted like theyd used more chocolate topping than milk!

              Anyway to your question ; unfortunately my news probably isnt what you want to hear. Ironically, the resale value of a machine is inversely proportional to the number of groups, even though the same rule doesnt apply when buying it new; its just the universal retail law of supply and demand (be thankful youre not trying to sell a 4 group; youd probably get more for it for scrap). There are numerous people like yourselves offloading 2, 3 and 4 group machines for whatever reason, but hardly anyone has the space or the power to run them, and the few that do have so many to choose from - what will make them buy yours over the other dozen <5 year old machines that have regularly been serviced?. 1 group machines on the other hand are smaller and run on 10A, so will fit anywhere including (importantly) a domestic kitchen which opens them to the ever-expanding domestic prosumer market and suit most small volume establishments. I saw a 4 group Rancilio machine on evilBay a while back, about 2 years old with an opening bid of $1000 and attracted no bids; new cost must have been closer to $10,000.

              I just did a search on evilbay and there are 7 espresso machines with 2 or 3 groups (including one Azkoyen which I reckon may be the same as yours) currently listed with starting or buy it now prices of over $1000. None of them have any bids. Is it because theyre old clapped out machines on their last legs and never been serviced? No; its just that no-one has a use for them. An oversupply and almost no demand.

              So you may want to try a cafe liquidation place or somewhere, stick it in the shed which really is just a waste of space, or try your luck and post it somewhere like the hardware for sale section here. Unless you get lucky I doubt youll have much more luck than the people on evilBay who are trying to sell the same sorts of machines, but you never know. Alternatively Im just down the road so Id consider it for myself, but my domestic situation isnt much different to anyone elses so I doubt youll get the sort of money youre probably hoping for from any domestic user.

              Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings; the only positive I can see is that if youre prepared to look second hand for your replacement, you should be able to pick one up for a good price and offset the large majority of your loss on the sale of the 2 group.

              Good luck!

              Greg

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              • #8
                Re: Commercial machines

                Why dont you post it for sale on coffee snobs, put the sizes etc.. on as well, you may even be able to fit some lower wattage elements to it to make it more "home use" friendly... photos also help, scrub it, buff it present it shining in the sun... Cant hurt.

                Ray.

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                • #9
                  Re: Commercial machines

                  Originally posted by Greg Pullman link=1194948739/0#6 date=1194955400
                  Gday Michels,

                  Anyway to your question ; unfortunately my news probably isnt what you want to hear.

                  I just did a search on evilbay and there are 7 espresso machines with 2 or 3 groups (including one Azkoyen which I reckon may be the same as yours)

                  Greg
                  Thx Greg. Had a look on EB, nothing there like ours, they all look fairly old. Ours looks same as what you saw today, but 2 grp.
                  Actually what your saying is what I sort of expected. Its worth more to me as insurance / back up in the shed than what those EB machine are listed at. So the new toy will have to justify itself!. A pondering I will go....to buy or not to buy....Cant help think about the guy(s) at Qantas or similar companies that have to decide on big investments....and justify them. (I know different league, but still a big investment for us!)


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                  • #10
                    Re: Commercial machines

                    Originally posted by Ray C link=1194948739/0#7 date=1194956321
                    Why dont you post it for sale on coffee snobs, put the sizes etc.. on as well, you may even be able to fit some lower wattage elements to it to make it more "home use" friendly... photos also help, scrub it, buff it present it shining in the sun... Cant hurt.

                    Ray.

                    MB will have to post a few more times..... to be eligible to use the For Sale area...

                    But other than that - it cant hurt.....

                    I certainly agree with Greg.... second hand 2+ group machines dont fetch much money..... too many people in cafes now are "given" a machine with their coffee purchases (there is no such thing as a "free" machine!!).... and then they find the firm wont take their old one..... thats why I got mine cheap.... the owner just wanted to "get rid of it"...

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                    • #11
                      Re: Commercial machines

                      Originally posted by Ray C link=1194948739/0#7 date=1194956321
                      Why dont you post it for sale on coffee snobs, put the sizes etc.. on as well, you may even be able to fit some lower wattage elements to it to make it more "home use" friendly... photos also help, scrub it, buff it present it shining in the sun... Cant hurt.

                      Ray.
                      Hi Ray
                      thx. got to decide to buy the new 3grp one first!. No special buffing required, gets that daily & "near new" is prob closest description....but right now it is a working (as in running a business) machine.
                      Appreciate your feedback, but as I started with, Im not really sure they are suited to "home" use. eg 20mins to warm up in the morning, 20A plug (prob could run with a 15A but still...) etc etc Others seem to have confirmed my thoughts.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Commercial machines

                        Originally posted by MichelsBlackwood link=1194948739/0#10 date=1194957435

                        Appreciate your feedback, but as I started with, Im not really sure they are suited to "home" use. eg 20mins to warm up in the morning, 20A plug (prob could run with a 15A but still...) etc etc Others seem to have confirmed my thoughts.

                        Mine is on 24/7.... in the kitchen on a 20 Amp circuit which was installed just for the machine..... plumbed in with water softener etc etc..... and Im not the only CoffeeSnob who is that crazy..... there are a few of us!!!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Commercial machines

                          Originally posted by JavaB link=1194948739/0#11 date=1194957846
                          Mine is on 24/7.... in the kitchen on a 20 Amp circuit which was installed just for the machine..... plumbed in with water softener etc etc..... and Im not the only CoffeeSnob who is that crazy..... there are a few of us!!!
                          And I thought I was drinking to much just because it was ready to go & I should taste test / check it....

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                          • #14
                            Re: Commercial machines

                            Ive got an ex michels 2grp azkoyen which I pulled to bits and rebuilt, its the earlier Bravo, but am keen to get a Vienna, they just look good
                            Why, why the heck not, always on and only a $25 increase in my electric bill over a quarter.
                            Sure beats the hell out of the raindance temp surfing and praying witha Silvia.
                            Always on always ready, plus with the azzy it can be successfuly run on power pos 1 which runs one of the three elements, takes just over 30 minutes to warm up, Ive run it on pos 2 and never had any problems with hot power cords or wall wiring faults.
                            Set it up at home
                            (or let me rebuild it heheh)
                            Cheers
                            Sullo
                            Lover of all things Azkoyen, I so want one of thse auto doser grinders!

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                            • #15
                              Re: Commercial machines

                              MB - To give you an idea of the bargains that are around I picked up my Faema Due - 2 Group - commercial machine for $350 and it is in excellent condition inside and out and had been properly serviced and backflushed with very little but regular use - ie 4 cups a day. Its 10 years old, but looks identical right down to the dosing buttons and steam knobs to the latest Faema Due. It makes a fantastic coffee and is a steaming monster.

                              Now I know that I stole this machine, and I am just lucky, but bargains are around to be had. I have seen people here though spend a lot more for a very good second hand 2 group.

                              I have no intention of selling my machine....its like a living creature in the kitchen. One of the best aspects is that is plumbed and drained - which I never thought that I be wrapped in but I am....ultra convenient and lets others in the kitchen prepare things, whilst I am doing coffees at the machine and not moving from it.

                              Cheers

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