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  • ktek21
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    I am considering purchasing either the Belleza Inizio R or maybe the V, but finding info and reviews have been a challenge.

    My main concerns at this point are warm up time. Is it 25 minutes? And if so, have you used the app to schedule start up times?

    would you recommend purchasing Bellezza? All suggestions welcomed.

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  • lukeycatt
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    I have had a Belleza Bellona since august last year and I have found it to be a really good way to get into a higher spec machine (coming from an old school breville single boiler) I’ve enjoyed being able to play with brew temps etc and have to say I make two coffees before 6am and the speed it reaches temp blows me away, great steam pressure and I think it looks great on the bench. I’m sure I’ll find some things that annoy me at some point but up until now I’ve been really happy with my espresso, long blacks and lattes.

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  • brewme
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    Hey everyone, figured i'd just jump in here... I've had a Bellezza Inizio R for the last 1 year or so... Had purchased Feb last year and overall haven't been able to fault the overall build quality, nor what the machine is capable of... At that price point i'd been looking at a few different options, namely the Bezzera Mitica TOP and the Crem One. Wasn't too keen on the Crem One's build despite the various electronic options it boasted. I do want to point out that at the time their manufacturing was also in China rather than Spain for these models, overall the Bellezza construction with the completely stainless drip tray was a minor difference but still meant that in my opinion they weren't cutting corners.

    I'll post a pic below... I've loved this machine through and through. Having owned a few vibe pumps before, I will never go back. The rotary is quiet and consistent... Open to any questions you may have? I've opened the unit up too, looks pretty darn standard to me having again seen the inside guts of Expobar, Quickmill, Nuova Simonelli... and a few more machines.

    I suck at hyperlinking.... But worked out out to upload the image; https://i.postimg.cc/7LC2QFbN/270219...89611297-n.jpg

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  • mattjtaylor2809
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    Lol, it my wife who has very strict rules about when you can open Christmas presents etc.. I had to resist at least having a peak!

    So far I’m enjoying the functionality, fiddling with brew temp (124 steam which I think equates to 92 brew but I could be wrong), pre-infusion (5 sec). Steams milk (both cow & almond) very well & quickly,

    Still dialling in the Mignon Specialita, it seems I need to keep going finer but that could also the beans “going off” in the hopper?

    As for all the “made in China” comments, I’m not sure that’s entirely true. From what I can ascertain, the outer casing is made in China but all other parts are made in Germany or Italy. It’s a not a problem for me & the deal I received at our site sponsors Di Pacci made it a easy decision.

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  • MelCoffeeMaster
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    FYI Bellezzas are made in China

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  • EspressoAdventurer
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    Originally posted by mattjtaylor2809 View Post
    I've just bought a Bellezza Guila from Di Pacci via the quote me function. I'll let you all know how I get on once I'm allowed to open on Christmas Day
    Who's saying this to you mate? ....Wot...The retailer cant deliver till Xmas Day?
    I don't think so.

    No this needs to be called out. Were here for ya Bruver!
    Manipulative Coercive behaviour is Not tolerated by your fellow male barista mates here mate.

    Just kinda gently infer - 'Wow what a tasty coffee these things are s'posed to make. Ita all over the net' blaah blah blah
    You watch mate that'll change things in about 3seconds flat..... I reckon.
    It does with my betrothed.

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  • mattjtaylor2809
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    I've just bought a Bellezza Guila from Di Pacci via the quote me function. I'll let you all know how I get on once I'm allowed to open on Christmas Day

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  • mikef
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    Small 750ml to 1 litre coffee boilers, they fully replace the water more than once per day with say 10 shots (with pre and post flushes) etc.

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  • mikef
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    Maybe not a progressive communist plot. But I like your thinking! Maybe PID-controlled electrically-heated heads are just the best kept secret.

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  • wattgn
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    Originally posted by mikef View Post
    I am a new owner of a Bezzera Duo DE and it uses an electrically-heated head (120W) controlled by its own dedicated PID controller. Very fast warm up and stability to within a degree. Why persist with massive slow saturated heads! Happy to challenged on this one!!!!
    Ha. Just the usual arguments. If you like fiddling (experimenting) with temperatures then a dual boiler is the way to go. If you like just having a big boiler and a very simple, easy to maintain machine, go HX...with or without PID.

    I like the HX for simplicity and the big boiler, mine is plumbed in and I push water through it to heat cups and reduce boiler scale. Finally you always get fresh water for your brew rather than from the boiler.

    And you can make the counter case...of course.

    I do think that the electrically heated head is a progressive communist plot...LOL...it make sense honestly. I think though again, I do like honking hulks of metal, the traditional machine...E61 (1961).

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  • melbourne72
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    Originally posted by Bohne View Post
    Most defentiely, YES!

    Something I noticed about Bellezza machines is that in europe (i.e. germany) people seem to appreciate them because they are (supposedly) good machines at a VERY good price point.
    Possibly because of the part-chinese production line?

    However, when you check prices here in Oz, the machines are relatively much more expensive.
    If you take the Bellezza Chiara as an example, compared to a BZ10, the Chiara is +$500 more. In germany, those two machines are the same price. I wonder why that is??

    The same is true for other Bellezza models, retailers here have them priced higher relative to other machines, compared to europe.
    (This relative higher price is also true for other brands, which is interesting, but that discussion belongs probably to a different thread).
    In the end I picked up an Izzo Vivid from Chris at TC at a good price (ex display unit). It's great, has a really good build feel to it, and as I say I have experience using the E61 machines (ECM Giotto and also the Rocket (I think!) in the past). The only thing I notice about it is that the 'workspace' is a little cramped, but I have been spoiled with a GS3 for the last few years, and I need compact for the place I am moving to soon.

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  • Bohne
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    Originally posted by melbourne72 View Post

    Guy Sebastian has done a promo for the Bellezza Chiara - so must be awesome, right?!
    Most defentiely, YES!

    Something I noticed about Bellezza machines is that in europe (i.e. germany) people seem to appreciate them because they are (supposedly) good machines at a VERY good price point.
    Possibly because of the part-chinese production line?

    However, when you check prices here in Oz, the machines are relatively much more expensive.
    If you take the Bellezza Chiara as an example, compared to a BZ10, the Chiara is +$500 more. In germany, those two machines are the same price. I wonder why that is??

    The same is true for other Bellezza models, retailers here have them priced higher relative to other machines, compared to europe.
    (This relative higher price is also true for other brands, which is interesting, but that discussion belongs probably to a different thread).

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  • melbourne72
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    Thanks for the thoughts. I guess design aesthetics (and whether you like them or not) are somewhat individual. Anyhow, seems like very little out there in the way of reviews/experience, so I am a bit wary too - especially as the price is up there.

    Lelit Mara X also on the list, given the compact design and features sound good. I have experience with using a couple of E61 HX machines over the years.

  • Casa Espresso
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    They arent a sub brand of ECM.

    A completely seperate company and business .

    www.casaespresso.com.au

  • noidle22
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    Pretty sure they are a Di Pacci house brand, can't comment on build quality/performance as I've not seen one personally but they don't fill me with confidence. Some of the design choices are unusual, to be honest the Bellona looks ridiculous. The overall lineup just looks cheap to me.
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