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  • franjae
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    I recently bought the Mozzafiato V. Unless you need to plumb in the machine, perhaps you don’t need the R. I was amazed how quiet the V is.

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  • trentski
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    Your concern with turning over the water in a double boiler machine is also a concern for Hx machines. If you aren't drawing water out of the hot water tap on the Hx then the water stays there for a very long time. The Hx draws water from the tank for espresso and steam comes fomr the top of the boiler. So if you never draw from the hot water tap the water in the boiler stays there forever.
    At least with the double boiler you can leave it turned off so you aren't heating it all the time.

    good practice to drain the Hx boiler on a periodic basis so the water in it doesn't get over-concentrated with minerals. can purge it or pull a few cups every so often out of it.

    In regards to "flushing the group" you should do that for the double boiler as well. Think of it as a hygiene flush more than anything, a well set up Hx doesn't require cooling flushes.

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  • rooroadbikes
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    Caffeinator, precisely. I was thinking about it all day yesterday, and asking myself, will I be playing with the brew temp up and down everytime I make an espresso? If I own a Cinquantotto, maybe I will, for the first few days. In reality, I will be more likely play with the grind size, to dial in my espresso. I was not blessed with a sophisticated palate like James Hoffman did, to be able to tell a broad range of acidy and fruity taste of an espresso.

  • rooroadbikes
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    Thanks so much for the input. Embarrassingly to say, I have had my eyes set on a Rocket machine. It was a very long time dream, which finally may come true.

  • TailorCoffee
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    I had an ECM Classika PID and it made incredible espresso. With the flow regulator kit, youd have an incredibly high level espresso machine. And the steaming capabilities were good, so for those times you have a few friends over, youd be more then capable to make them lattes. id just make all the espresso first, then switch to steaming mode.
    For about $2500 brand new with the flow regulator kit it might be a good option for you. just my 4 cents.

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  • rooroadbikes
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    Javaphile My apologies. I didn't know that sharing a link to another URL is prohibited here.

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  • Caffeinator
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    Ok- So you have used your BDB at default and by doing so, it was effectively emulating a HX.

    If you're happy with the coffee you are producing with it and don't feel a need to do anything else, it seems to me that you just sold yourself a Mozzafiato?

  • rooroadbikes
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    I found link removed as per Site Posting Policy this very helpful page from TalkCoffee.

    It does raise a question though - so who would buy the Mozzafiato? I assume someone who is already in the position of purchasing a Mozzafiato will quite easily add another 1K to get a Cinquantotto.
    Last edited by Javaphile; 24 June 2022, 02:23 PM.

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  • JT1
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    He’ll end up with an r91 and a lever machine after you’re done with him!

  • amberale
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    Nah, you'd just sell something and buy it anyway.
    You've got form. :P

  • rooroadbikes
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    I came from a very humble Breville Dual Boiler, and reading what Caffeinator said above, made me think how dumb I have been, not utilising the ability to change the brewing temperature, and yet often wondering why my espresso taste funny.

    Is draining a boiler in Cinquantotto as easy as draining a boiler in BDB? Also, a question to those who own one, if I turn the steam boiler off (for energy efficiency), how long does it take to turn it on and heat it up for ready to steam? The possible scenario is that when I brew my espresso, the missus suddenly ask for a latte ?

    I love this forum as otherwise I wouldn't have known the benefit of a DB for an espresso-purist (if that even a word) like me, so thank you all.

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  • 338
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    It is only an extra $1k now to buy the one you want, if you buy the Mozzafiato and then upgrade the difference will be more than 1k. The one you want also happens to be better for your application and give more options later. Turn the steam boiler on every month or two and empty it just to keep the water moving.

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  • Caffeinator
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    You are most welcome. I hope it helps you to choose the right machine for your personal circumstances.

  • tompoland
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    Cinquantotto. Overkill for an espresso machine is lot possible within (my) laws of espresso physics.

    If you don't get the Cinquantotto you may always wishing and a wondering. Well, I would be.

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  • rooroadbikes
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    Thanks, Caffeinator. I'm humbled with the knowledge and the amount of time you spent replying and explaining the above.

    I'll read some more and do my research better.

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