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  • Hoggers
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    My feelings with the You is that you are paying a premium for the technology behind it (Bluetooth, app development etc) and that sone other features present in other premium machines such as the saturated head might have been scrapped in place of the smarts.

  • JohnA
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    What a tough situation to be in

    LIke you i too have been looking at the YOU and have always lusted after the Slayer

    I think you'll find bugs from earlier slayers are well and truly ironed out now. I wouldnt worry too much about that.
    The you on the other hand hasnt been out in the wild yet, so we dont know about reliability or if it has any issues.

    I currently have a lamarzocco GS3 and it has been trouble free now for 5 years. Its very easy to service yourself at home and parts readily available. It provides consistency shot after shot, so finding it hard to make the jump over, no matter how much i lust after them.

    I think all 3 machines will give you great results with all roast depths, but i would look at a different grinder. If you mainly stick to medium to dark blended roasts, the niche will be good, but if you want to go into lighter roasts consider the P100.
    You cant get it locally, have to order direct from lagom which is no big deal, and because they are an aus based company, no taxes or duties when landed.

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  • Nicksta
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    Aliel, those are some great insights, thanks for sharing. We are a small family so I don't think recovery time on the steam would likely be an issue. FWIW, I did stand around and watch one of their baristas pull a few shots and steam some milk and it did seem to have a goodly amount of steam, steam time on what looked to be around 200-250ml of milk was quite fast (seemingly faster than my Sync assuming an ideal temp was achieved). I hadn't picked up that it was a e61 based GH so good call out, my preference is too move away from the e61 which my last three machines have all been if not for any other reason than to try something different or more commercially aligned.

  • aliel
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    I saw the YOU at MICE and was following this machine for a while when it first was marketed. I think it is an incredible machine, especially the way it looks ?, but I can't justify the 10k they are asking. My opinion is solely based on hardware; they are using an e61 group head (which they call an SR61). Now, please understand that there is nothing wrong with the e61 group, I had an e61 machine for years and can vouch for their greatness. The reason why I can't stomach this, is that for 10 or 11k you can buy a La marzocco GS3 with a fully saturated group or as you mention the Rocket R91 (which I personally think is totally worth their asking price) which also has a fully saturated grouphead.

    I understand that the YOU has some really great technology that's been developed for it, and I respect that and I respect their asking price, it's just a personal thing for me I won't pay SR 10k when I think from a build perspective LM and Rocket offer a lot more. The LM is quite different because it's a manual paddle, but the Rocket should be quite similar in it's capability to the YOU as far as I understand.

    Furthermore, you said you are a milk guy, my family is mainly milk, I have the LMLM but the GS3 has the same size boiler and the steam is truly outstanding. I believe the rocket has a 3.6L from memory? The YOU has 1L boiler, which I believe runs a higher pressure to compensate?
    Please note, this is not a bad thing at all, I'm actually a fan of small boilers because it should result in quicker heat-up times. Unfortunately, I didn't get to play with the steaming of the YOU and I didn't get to ask the rep about it's steam performance, however, I imagine you may need to wait for it to recover if you are steaming lots of milk but this would only be a problem if you are doing tons of milk based back to back.

    In summary, I truly think the SR YOU is an incredible machine, I would just feel more comfortable spending that money on a fully saturated grouphead. This is solely my opinion and ultimately I think you should go for the machine that will make you the happy based on what the machine offers you and value you place on those aspects.

    All the best with your purchase mate!

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  • kofekitt
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    I enquired about the YOU , got no reply from Sanremo at all. A re seller then told me they were delayed a little and now expecting small batch late Nov/early December. Also found it hard to find any reports of usage, apart from a German forum where they had an issue with loud fan on it. Had a cooling fan rated at 12V, but it was being fed 24V, so very noisy.

  • Hoggers
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    Hey mate... I will be getting it via my local roaster and he in turn via ECA. He has one on his bench at work so I have been able to have a decent play with it and helped him profile it in when he first got it.

    It is an awesome bit of kit and looks so much better in the flesh than in pics. It is super quiet (almost as silent as my lever). Easy to use and having both volumetric and pressure control is awesome.

    From the short time I played with it I can't say if it produced better shots but definitely the shots had more body and depth to them.

    Will be very much looking forward to getting this set up in my new apartment. Now just to order the grinders.

  • Nicksta
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    Thanks Hoggers, i would say the YOU is on the bottom of my list right now. Where are you getting your P100 and Weber Key from, I can't seem to find many stockist in AUS right now but might not be looking hard enough.

  • WhatEverBeansNecessary
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    Originally posted by Nicksta View Post

    1. Slayer 1 Group - the other being the lack of a water tank. My ECM is plumbed and this would be too but life decisions may well have us in a rental and unlikely be able to plumb for a term, I have a backup machine that we would revert too so thus the reason its still in consideration.
    Just on this - if push comes to shove and you do have to move into a rental with no options for plumbing you can get around this with a flojet. Not the 'cleanest' solution compared to a plumbed machine but very easily hidden below a cabinet. You could also buy an Ikea cabinet or something on wheels and hide the flojet under the bench there. Again not perfect, but hopefully the rental is only a relatively short term option and the flojet is relatively inexpensive.

    TLDR - you can get around the plumbed only machines so I wouldn't let that be the deal breaker if your heart is set on an option that is plumbed only.

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  • Bosco_Lever
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    All 3 of your choices are expensive machines. You need to use them to see if the workflow is to your liking. That includes clean up and maintenance. Forking out this sort of cash without a decent hands on play is not recommended. Plenty will chime in with advice, but you are the person buying it. You will love or hate certain features, so trust your instincts. Try before you buy.

    All will produce good coffee if:
    1. The person driving it knows what they are doing.
    2. A good grinder is paired with it.
    3. Good quality beans are used.
    So many people fork out huge dollars for equipment, but skimp on the coffee beans.

    if your choice of coffee is a blend that is basically toffee, chocolate, nuts with a hint of fruit, then most espresso machines will suffice. The above three will not deliver miraculous flavours that don't exist. If you want exotic notes of berries, or tropical fruits etc, then ensure the coffee beans you buy will deliver those notes. Fantastic equipment cannot bring out flavours that do not exist. Not all coffee beans are equal, and the same applies to roasters and their abilities.

    If buying one of these machines will give you immense pleasure from simply owning it and having the bragging rights that go along with it, then buy it. No shame in that, you earned your money and can spend it anyway you want it. You do not anyone here to justify your purchase, just go for it.

    As to longevity, all will require maintenance and regular service, whether they are version 1 or 5. Remember, there will always be a newer better machine in the future.

    Will one of these machines deliver the best coffee you have ever had?
    I doubt it.
    A good grinder paired with a simple pourover set will allow you to enjoy some of the world's best coffee (Panama Geisha), as long as it has been roasted properly.

    I don't see too many people feeding their $10k+ espresso setups with $300 beans. However, there are many who have a basic pourover set up ($100 or so plus grinder) that can do wonders with those expensive filter roasts. Espresso is not the be all and end all of coffee, that so many make it out to be. Those who believe it is, may not have been fortunate enough to enjoy a well prepared filter coffee.

    Whatever you end up with, make sure you are happy using it, as that will bring you the most joy.

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  • Hoggers
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    I am in the same boat as you but leaning more towards the R9 One over the You.

    Reason being is really just down to time intime field. The 9 One has bee out for a few years now and I would like to think that the newer iterations have had the quirks ironed out where as the You is very new and essentially V1 of the machine.

    This makes me slightly nervous in investing so much in such a new machine especially since there is so lite user feedback. As you say it is a beautiful machine and still up there on my short list.

    I also love the black sided R9... especially with the brushed steel front it looks the business.

    Will be pairing with (most likely) P100 and Weber Key

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  • Nicksta
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    Originally posted by tompoland View Post
    Welcome back! Roast depth preference? Milk or straight espresso?
    I don't really have a roast depth preference that I am aware of, for example I love Padre Seasonal blene and Padre Daddy's little girl which I believe are both medium roast whilst at the same time I enjoy Di Bella Nero which is a dark roast. In terms of drinks, absolutely milk based all the way.

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  • tompoland
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    Welcome back!

    Roast depth preference? Milk or straight espresso?

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  • Considering my next upgrade (Slayer, R91 or SR You), thoughts?

    I have been away from this forum caught up other stuff for some time and have been enjoying my ECM Sync and Titan64 ever since (recently added flow control to the Sync). But finally the upgrade bug has found me and I have been considering options and am getting close to falling victim to analysis paralysis so was hoping some of the members might be able to share their thoughts and opinions on the below or even other options I have yet to consider please?

    1. Slayer 1 Group - So like a lot of coffee fans this has long been my holy grail. I have extremely fond memories of coffee's enjoyed at Mel CBD locations such as League of Honest where I tasted berry notes in blends like Padre's Seasonal that I simply could not get out of my ECM no matter what I tried. I do have a couple of concerns beyond price with this option with one being reliability (I have read older version have had some issues but would love to hear from recent Slayer buyers) and the other being the lack of a water tank. My ECM is plumbed and this would be too but life decisions may well have us in a rental and unlikely be able to plumb for a term, I have a backup machine that we would revert too so thus the reason its still in consideration.
    2. Rocket R91 - With the black sided options, this machine looks great. I love the functionality of this machine and I have read the threads from happy owners here. It also has the water tank option and is slightly more budget friendly.
    3. San Remo You - Another great looking machine. Checked it out and saw it in action at MICE this year and it certainly appeared to be full featured and a strong performer. Any owners as yet that care to share an early view? Has all the functions of R91 it seems and seems to be just under 10k. I see the Oct stock has gone and its now Nov but maybe its worth the wait?


    In terms of a grinder, I am leaning towards a change to single dose and likely a Niche or failing that Eureka Mignon Oro SD.

    Cheers,

    Nick
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