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    After a fair bit of research, I am leaning towards the purchase of a Rocket Mozzafiato Chronometro Evoluzione R.
    The main alternative shaped up as the ECM Technika V Profi PID. The outsider was the Profitek Pro 600 DB.

    I generally make one coffee a day (for me - Long-black) and two on the weekends for Son and me (Long-black and Flat-white). When I have guests (say once a fortnight) , I might do a couple of Flat-whites and a couple of Long-blacks).

    My current Diadema Perfetta is a great little machine that I have used for 13 years but I am a bit tired of temp surfing and feel as though I have earned a better machine for the rest of my life.

    Priorities are a PID machine, HX (or better) architecture, a quieter Rotary pump (but won't be plumbed) and just generally a quality product that I will enjoy using and looking at.

    I love the obvious quality finish of the ECM but the Rocket seems to have a better reliability reputation. I am prepared to spend around $4K on the machine and another $1K on a grinder. Still haven't decided on the Grinder. I want something with a bit of quality but I definitely don't want a doser as I like to grind into a container and then dose into the portafilter.

    Is there any reason why the Rocket would not be the best choice?




  • #2
    Can't think of any. I know that Caffeinator is a Rocket Man so he might weigh in.

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    • Caffeinator
      Caffeinator commented
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      The Rocket and ECM are both great machines Rocky and you will be happy with either. Warranty support for both will go to site sponsors ECA when they take over the ECM rights as well, so you could not be in better hands. You might decide based on local suppliers and who you feel most comfortable with.

      Whilst many here state that Proifi "is the same", that's not my opinion when I see inside and even moreso when it comes to finish. My advice would be spend the extra coin on one of your two favourites.

  • #3
    Would agree with caffeinator here. Even though ecm and profi are sister companies, the insides and fit and finish are vastly different to each other. You could almost get a ecm Synchronika with the budget you gave, it cost me around 5k with flow control late last year, so I’m sure it could be done used or new somewhere decent. I’d opt for the DB over the hx machines if you’re spending that kind of money. Once you’re spending this amount, it’s an aesthetic king of choice really. Lelit for its price would be a good option though for what you get out of it as a DB. Have you even considered the rancilio Silvia pro ?

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    • #4
      The components used inside the Profitec and ECM are the same (look up the exploded views if you doubt me). Obvious differences exist in the external panels but in my view the OP would be better served by an explanation of the differences between the models mentioned. The biggest one is the architecture. The Profitec Pro 600 is a Dual Boiler vibe pump and the other two are HX rotary pump machines. If the OP wants a rotary pump then he's choosing between the two HX machines in this case. But the vibe pump on the Pro 600 is quieter than on many older models and ramps up in pressure slower than the rotary pump so if plumbing isn't a concern the vibe pump would be a good choice. The Pro 600 also has a faster heat up, better temperature control and better steam pressure.

      charlie

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      • #5
        FilthySudo for not the first time in recent reading I've seen comments that the ECM machines are better than Profitec in terms of build and reliability. I've got a Pro 500 and am considering an upgrade to a dual boiler, I like the styling on the Profitec machines (and conversely don't really like the ECM styling) but obviously want to land the best machine I can for my budget. ECM, Profitec, Izzo - how do they rank in terms of quality and performance?

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        • #6
          Thanks Guys. I have to be honest Filthy, the Sylvia doesn't do it for me and I am a committed lever-action guy.
          Re Synchronica - I probably don't justify a DB anyhow (was just tempted by the Pro 600 for around $4K) and I really want to keep the cost down to around $5K for the machine + grinder. The ECM is just such a pretty machine - the finish leaps out at you. But really, the Rocket seems to be the best all-round bet and I wouldn't like to take the plunge without running it past you guys. Service is a non-issue up here in the sticks and of course no dealer north of Sydney as far as I know.
          Any thoughts on a shiny SS doserless grinder for up to a grand?

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          • Ronin
            Ronin commented
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            No dealer north of Sydney?
            For the ECM and Rocket?
            Not the case mate. There is dealers that have both Rocket and ECM in the same showroom in Brisbane. Compare them side by side if you can.
            No point getting a machine that is your forever machine that isn't the best choice for you

          • amberale
            amberale commented
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            That's still a 650km each way trip.

          • Ronin
            Ronin commented
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            Personally I would travel rather than buy the wrong machine.
            I'm sure there is closer ones, just making a point that Sydney isn't necessary

        • #7
          If you can stretch the grinder budget a little a Rocket Fausto or Faustino would match very well (they're made by Eureka). Anyone selling you a Rocket machine should be able to do you a package deal with a Rocket grinder, surely.

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          • Caffeinator
            Caffeinator commented
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            Faustino 3.1 is now Macap. No longer Eureka.

        • #8
          before you plonk money on these high end machines have you worked out what your water treatment will be first? your precious acquisition will be ruined if you are feeding it poorly treated water

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          • #9
            I like the look of the Faustino, and several others for that matter but I was hoping to avoid electronic grinders and ones with a doser in particular.
            I have no need for electronics and in most cases I will be grinding for just one coffee so putting it through a doser is unnecessary and messy.
            My current Rocky grinder is simple and effective, although a bit of a 'blunt instrument'. I was hoping to go upmarket without getting into electronics.
            I have a water filter fitted to my kitchen tap specifically for the Espresso machine and can probably move up to a better cartridge if necessary.

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            • #10
              Originally posted by Rocky View Post
              I like the look of the Faustino, and several others for that matter but I was hoping to avoid electronic grinders and ones with a doser in particular. if necessary.
              The Faustino is doserless. Grinders with a doser are hard to come by the days. When you say you don't want electronic grinders, are you after a hand powered grinder like the HG1?

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              • #11
                By "electronic" I mean Grinders with displays and touch controls. I would like a manual electric Grinder - like my Rocky Rancillio - but more upmarket.
                I must be confused as all the photos and descriptions of the Faustino show it with what I understand to be a doser.
                I would have said that it is actually hard to find a grinder without a doser north of maybe $400.

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                • #12
                  The Ceado E5P sounds like it ticks the boxes

                  charlie

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                  • #13
                    Originally posted by Rocky View Post
                    By "electronic" I mean Grinders with displays and touch controls. I would like a manual electric Grinder - like my Rocky Rancillio - but more upmarket. I must be confused as all the photos and descriptions of the Faustino show it with what I understand to be a doser.
                    That's definitely not a doser. It's just a funnel which reduces static and helps the grounds to accurately hit the portafilter (or collection cup if you prefer) Maybe look at something like the Profitec M54 Manufacturer link: https://www.profitec-espresso.com/en/products/pro-m54

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                    • #14
                      Yhanks Charlie, the Ceado is pretty much what I had in mind, although expensive at $1250. and not very attractive to look at.
                      herzog - Thanks for that - now I see that what I took to be a Doser is just a big 'funnel'. I need to look again at some of the others.
                      The Profitec M54 is the closest I have seen so far to what I want. It is more within my budget at $850. and its chrome finish will fit better with the Rocket machine.

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                      • #15
                        Eureka Silenzio or Classico would also fit the bill. Not sure whether you’d call that an upgrade from the Faustino.

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