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  • #16
    Yes Crazy, I like the Eureka - it was my second choice. Had a hard time deciding as I liked the quirky styling, and it was a stepless as well.

    I have now 'bitten the bullet' and ordered the Rocket Mozzafiato and Profitec M54. A little over budget (Wife wasn't excited about that!)(She's not a coffee-addict) but a nice set-up for a retired guy and well-matched to my abilities and needs. They are a very handsome 'set' and I will enjoy the view every time I walk past. With the quality CS bean, I feel confident of meeting my coffee expectations for the rest of my life.
    Thanks to all who offered comment on this thread.

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    • #17
      Be sure to let us know how the Rocket goes for you.

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      • #18
        Hey Skd'sy relax take some deeps breathes...I'll be flumoxed if the Rocket doesn't perform as well the Andy's beanbay roasts.

        Ok.....I'm late to this thread but would of definately thumbs up Rocky Re: the Rocket.
        And in his locale he needs a Mr Reliable....

        Parts readily available and If I can learn to competently service this brand of E61......well anyone can !

        Ok Ok leave my wife out of it....she has nil interest !

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        • #19
          Well, the big day arrived. Machines delivered this morning. When I unpacked it I found that the box was delivered upside down - the upside-down Connotes having escaped the notice of the shipping company (and my notice also). It just meant that this skinny 70yo had to invert a heavy machine on his own.
          It is a beautiful looking machine and appears very robust and well made. After studying the Manual, I commenced start-up procedure - filling the boiler and introducing the new Profitec to some good bean. It heated up quickly and I poured a single shot - which I underdosed, and probably under-tamped as well - and which consequently poured in 10 seconds and was a bit watery but drinkable.
          I notice that the portafilters are very tight and will only screw on about 1/2 of the required travel - I hope this frees up as I feel the need to hold the portafilter on during the pour.
          Anyone else have this problem? I am not sure how to solve this.
          I thought the boiler temp may have been a bit hot at 123C - and it poured that way too, so I attempted to reduce the temp using the display. I found this difficult to use and the instructions a bit vague. "...press and hold key A until the display reads "PrG". Keep holding key A down while pressing key B. Then adjust temp up or down by pressing key A or B." This didn't seem to change anything so I will have another go tomorrow. Any advice from other Mozzafiato owners would be welcome. i.e. press key B for how long? What happens then? Message on the screen? I think it says "off" - ? Also what temp they set. I'm thinking 120C would be about right.


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          • EspressoAdventurer
            EspressoAdventurer commented
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            Great to Hear Rocky Im playing along at home!
            Psst dont look now but I almost swallowed my tongue when you mentioned 1 of the 2 brands in your post! Prob too late to edit it out?
            Maybe Java may look kindly on what was / musta been a celebratory time in the Rocky household !
            Ps suggest you measure record everything atm till your new machine(s) / shots become 2nd nature again with these new beauties. Its all about tatse as you know but the 'metrics' can be helpful / used as the 'refedex' /ok gps then. (refedex is olskool Qld for street maps !)
            Suggest no matter what basket you employ dose max clear dose as g/h allows.Once you got your recipe dialled in then you can choose to dose lesser or whatever your pallete decides.
            I also dont really subscribe to seasoning. Ive found (many) new burrs work consistently B u t at a time in the future I t will suddenly one day ( kg's ?/ cycles?) require an unexpected clear change finer ...but other than that should behave consistently.
            GL and joyous times !
            PS the portafilter / seal interaction.. it'll seat over time but try when its fully heated just taking the empty handle a touch further over a few times. This to me is a better thing than having the handle go way past 6 o'clock when brand new, first time use.

            PSS re: shipping...was it tied to a skip / mini pallett base ?

        • #20
          I have had a couple of learning experiences today.
          Firstly the Profitec. I don't know who wrote the Instruction booklet but it seems incorrect to me. It advises running the Grinder whilst adjusting the grind setting. I didn't even attempt to do this. I watched a couple of YouTube vids and both just did the expected thing and depressed the adjustment clip and turned the Grind-adjustment Ring. Now I just need to work out the setting for the right grind. Today was a failure (too coarse) but strangely the coffee was not bad, considering. I will have another go tomorrow morning with a finer grind.


          I have now watched several YouTube reviews for the Mozzafiato and in none of them does the portafilter "lock-in" to the Group as I expected. They all appear to have locked-in as much as they are able at about 45 degrees to the front of the machine. These would all be new machines like mine so I guess there is my answer. Maybe a bit of wear over the next year will remedy this, although I am still keen to hear from other owners.


          EA - thanks for your comments. No, the machine was not tied to a skip/mini pallet. The box needs to have a big sign on the outside saying "This side Up" as the shipping/delivery outfit doesn't spend too much time thinking about how it should be handled in spite of the "Fragile" tape all over it. I have sent feedback to all concerned.

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          • Phillydelphia
            Phillydelphia commented
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            Congrats on the purchase. They’re beautiful machines and I’m sure you’ll be very happy.

            The group handle thing is just a result of the gasket being new. It will wear in and start to sit right over time with use. It is not a problem at all as long as it locks in nicely.

          • Barry O'Speedwagon
            Barry O'Speedwagon commented
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            Running the grinder while adjusting the grind setting is fairly standard advice (even if not always followed and), particularly when moving towards finer settings.

        • #21
          Sorry to hear about your inverted arrival.
          I only ever change grinder settings while the grinder is running.
          Going coarser should be ok when off but going finer and you can wedge/compress coffee bean fragments between the burrs and lock up a grinder.

          I recommend a Cafelat silicon group seal get a red (8mm) and a blue (8.5mm) and see which one works best with your machine.
          Less than $30 delivered to RockVegas.

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          • #22
            Thanks Guys, the Grinder-setting thing is interesting. With my previous "Rocky" Grinder, you could almost make the burrs contact each other on the finest setting and I had a vision of destroying a new grinder by adjusting it whilst running. The other thing is that you would need three hands to do it! One to hold the portafilter against the 'contact spring', one to hold down the 'adjustment clip', and one to turn the 'adjustment ring'. There you go - stuff doesn't always work logically.
            The point about the portafilter is that it doesn't fully "lock-in". It partially locks-in - giving a feeling that you can't let go of it in case it vibrates out during the pour. Thanks for the tip, Amberdale, I will source a couple of silicon Group seals.

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            • Phillydelphia
              Phillydelphia commented
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              Is it tight fitting or easy to get into the group head but just feels loose?

            • Barry O'Speedwagon
              Barry O'Speedwagon commented
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              Try locking the portafilter into the group once or twice without a basket in it.

          • #23
            Philly - It's very tight, so that the machine moves when you try to tighten it. Makes backflushing difficult and pretty messy.
            Successful pour this morning. Took a while to set the grinder on a fine setting but the resulting pour was nice and the end result very good.
            So, making some progress.

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            • #24
              Have you done the 5cent test for headspace to make sure that it is not your dose that is making it hard to lock the portafilter?
              Sorry if it is egg sucking advice.

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              • #25
                I always welcome and appreciate well-intentioned advice Amberale. Thanks.
                I have tried locking it in with both portafilters (and my set from the old machine) with empty baskets, both cold and hot.
                I think you are right and it is just a case of a new Group seal that is going to take time to compress a bit.
                You mentioned a silicone seal and that seems worth a try as at one cup a day it could take some time for the group seal to compress with wear.
                Experience will probably demonstrate that the portafilter won't work it's way out and as usual I am focused on detail that others wouldn't even think significant. I was just curious to know if any other Mozzafiato owners had noticed this. Another very successful pour this morning - LB and a FW.

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                • #26
                  Excellent, the silicon gaskets really do have a nice feel to them.
                  I think they are a bit easier to remove as well.
                  The E61 shower and gasket is easy to remove, I do it once a week to clean using a teaspoon.
                  Some folks use plastic pushbike tyre levers.
                  Is Flamingo's still a thing at the Criterion?

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                  • #27
                    And these work a charm for gasket removal...

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                    • Ronin
                      Ronin commented
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                      The group seal should one with the shower screen on an E61, shouldn’t need the kick.
                      Good for LM seals though

                  • #28
                    Congratulations on the nice setup RockY
                    Should serve you well for decades.
                    Remember that every machine is different and has its own personality, like driving a different car. Same but different
                    Enjoy the process of learning it mate but my best advice is - if you have some play time with your new toys, you do NOT need to drink all the coffees, that can lead to a bad time lol

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                    • #29
                      Probably also worth looking at the Quamar Q50S grinder, similar price point and performance

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                      • #30
                        Amberdale - the Criterion is still a good pub to enjoy a cleansing ale whilst enjoying the view over the river.
                        'Flamingos' has ceased operations (I think) . I used to have a bit to do with the Manager a decade ago when I was running the local Liquor Accord.
                        The main local 'nightclub' is now the 'Xtreme/Zodiac' and pretty much the only game in town.
                        These days my main volunteer involvement is with the CapCoast Liquor Accord so I don't know much about what is happening in Rocky at all.
                        Tompoland - that instrument of torture made me wince just to see it. I reckon it would be an effective instrument.
                        Ronin - Yes, this is a very different proposition to my Diadema Perfetta. I have realised what a good machine the Diadema was and how you learn to get the best out of a machine.
                        No - I feel no obligation to drink everything I make, although everything so far has been drinkable. I think I am starting to get it tuned-in. It is always more complicated when you are tuning-in a new grinder at the same time. A lot of variables!

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