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    So I have had enough terrible coffee and want to buy a really good coffee maker, well two actually.
    One for me and one for when I have friends over.
    After a bit of research I am looking at a chemex coffee maker (3cup) or a hario coffee maker (unless someone tells me otherwise) for my daily morning brew and for when I have friends over a royal coffee maker (official or knock of as yet undecided). For daily use I am aiming for ease of use and cleaning and above all taste.
    I have never roasted or ground my own beans but this is also something I want to look it to.
    Any advice would be great

    And also hello...my first post


  • #2
    Re: Hario or royal or chemex or....

    I think it depends on what sort of coffee you want to drink, I have a Hario and I use it when I want a really clean, crisp black coffee, no sugar, no milk.  I also only use light roasted beans in it to give the coffee a light fruity taste about a CS7.

    If I want an espresso or a milk drink I use a Presso and the steam wand of an old Breville.  In these I use the darker roasted beans, although I still only roast to about a CS9.

    Most beans that you buy from cafes and roasters tend to be CS9 or darker, as a roaster said to me recently, "it is what people want so it is what they have to supply whether they agree with it or not".

    Thought I should add, that I dont think all beans are suited to all processes. An example is that I use a peaberry for a syphon and a ghimbi for the Presso. Yes the peaberry is suited to roast darker and I do love it both ways but I dont think that the ghimbi is suited to a syphon.

    Just my personal tastes of course

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    • #3
      Re: Hario or royal or chemex or....

      Thanks I saw the press however it looked like there would be to much daily cleaning and maintenance. Thats why I was looking at the chemex.
      I should have mentioned I drink my coffee with milk 80% of the time and like 2 cups in the morning.

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      • #4
        Re: Hario or presso or chemex...

        LOL since I use both I think Im qualified to answer that, the Presso is so much easier to clean than the Hario.

        I put the PF in, put the water in, pull the shot, pull out the PF and wash it out, put more water in the top of the Presso and lift the handles and down again flushing the water through, make sure there is nothing on the screen and thats it, wipe off and done.

        I dont press all the water through the puck, I just pull my 60ml shot and pull the PF out water and all over the sink.

        The Hario, after putting coffee in, brewing, taking coffee out and drinking while leaving the Hario to cool down as its really hot to try and handle the top, wash out the bottom, dump the grounds from the top, then clean out the top and the filter, I have a cloth filter for mine, it can be used a few times with the same coffee but I clean mine completely the machine cleaner every time I change coffees.

        Mmmm maybe they are about the same in clean up time

        Personally Id go the Presso but as I said in my first post that is my preference in taste, you might like a sweeter coffee with milk

        Oh and I have two PFs so when my OH and I are having different coffees I dont have to worry about not being able to do them quick enough to have coffees together.

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        • #5
          Re: Hario or presso or chemex...

          Hmm. Whenever someone mentions that they have milk in their coffee and is looking for a cheap, simple, yet effective brew method, my immediate thought is to use a plunger/french press.

          Its my old but trusty method, and matching a nice press with a good grinder and fresh beans makes wonderful coffee.

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          • #6
            Re: Hario or presso or chemex...

            Originally posted by 0C2D2626213B480 link=1306816229/4#4 date=1306825749
            Whenever someone mentions that they have milk in their coffee and is looking for a cheap, simple, yet effective brew method, my immediate thought is to use a plunger/french press

            Never really appreciated french press, but nowadays I am growing to like it. Previous experience was with supermarket beans, bought pre-ground. Now I roast and grind my own, it has made a huge difference and Im planning on trying a few other previously unappreciated coffee brew methods.
            Incidentally, when my french press broke a couple weeks back due to carelessness when washing it, I picked up a new one for $5 from the local salvos.

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            • #7
              Re: Hario or presso or chemex...

              Easy. Get an aeropress. At $40 you will not go wrong. Beats a presso for ease and a French press on all counts including taste. It is indestructible and lightweight so travels well too. Works with milk drinks but best for long black.
              Get one. You will not regret it.
              Next best pick for me is a stovetop once you have learnt to use it well. Better still an Otto.

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              • #8
                Re: Hario or presso or chemex...

                Chemex paper filters are a pain to use and you really need to rinse them first to avoid paper taint. The fix for this is a Chemex (6 or 8 cup) and a Coava Kone (stainless steel filter) this will give you for want of a better style a cleaner plunger. So really good body and a tiny bit of very fine coffee in the bottom.

                The Hario pourover cone will also take the same Kone insert and there paper filters give a slightly better extraction still need pre rinsing.

                An alternate is the Hario Sock style which is probably my favourite pourover silter to use. Still gives better body and flavour than paper IMO but without the fines you get with the Kone or a Plunger.

                First things first you need to get away from preground so look at buying a grinder

                Have a look in this section and you will find some info on the Kone and there is a few on plungers (I still use one at work sometimes). After that there is Syphons etc just to add to your toy collection.

                The Aeropress gives a really different brew to any of the above choices so if you can find someone using them to try a brew.

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                • #9
                  Re: Hario or presso or chemex...

                  Originally posted by 454246454246454246494255270 link=1306816229/6#6 date=1306835838
                  Easy. Get an aeropress. At $40 you will not go wrong. Beats a presso for ease and a French press on all counts including taste. It is indestructible and lightweight so travels well too. Works with milk drinks but best for long black.
                  Get one. You will not regret it.
                  Next best pick for me is a stovetop once you have learnt to use it well. Better still an Otto.
                  My god I want an Otto (for pretty much the same reason I want the royal coffee maker, because it resembles a mini science project/meth lab lol.
                  Areo press also looks great now Im totally confused. So I could go the chemex, aero, hario or a presso.

                  I will also get an Otto or royal after I grab something for daily use. Although to be honest Im concerned about the ottos safety I love the ability to heat my milk however on watching the video I felt like the video was saying you will burn yourself repeatedly on this incredible device.
                   
                  Not a fan of French press. I have had nothing but problems in the past, in saying that I have friends who swear by them.
                  I am however more confused than before
                  By the way I use a glass stove top if that impacts on what I purchase.

                  Another question: I noticed in most videos that people use the same kettle( rippley one with the long pourer) Is the kettle going to impact on my flavor country. Or will any do?

                  Ill be buying from a site sponsor in the next couple of days. So whatever I buy Ill have to get a grinder and 1kg or some great beans. Thanks for all the advice so far please keep it coming.
                  Good coffee is a great way of justifying to my girlfriend why I should by something like an Otto and a roaster. :

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                  • #10
                    Re: Hario or presso or chemex...

                    Originally posted by 012C2C2E302D430 link=1306816229/8#8 date=1306847152
                    Not a fan of French press. I have had nothing but problems in the past, in saying that I have friends who swear by them
                    Freshly ground coffee and a good technique may change your mind.

                    Originally posted by 012C2C2E302D430 link=1306816229/8#8 date=1306847152
                    I will also get an Otto or royal
                    Lovely, and I dont think your concerns are warranted.

                    Originally posted by 012C2C2E302D430 link=1306816229/8#8 date=1306847152
                    same kettle( rippley one with the long pourer
                    Hario Buono kettle. They are a lovely, functional item. The think long spout gives you good control over the quantity and destination of where you pour the water. An oil pourer will do the same job but not as beautifully.

                    Aeropress? Ive sold hundreds of them and had plenty of coffee from them too. I really dont feel it is suitable at all for milky drinks.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Hario or presso or chemex...

                      Originally posted by 2137323223212D24242727420 link=1306816229/9#9 date=1306873457
                      Aeropress?  Ive sold hundreds of them and had plenty of coffee from them too.  I really dont feel it is suitable at all for milky drinks.
                      Perhaps Ive not been paying attention, but this is the first time Ive heard that Aeropress and milky are possibly not a good match... in fact that reads as a pretty strong knock.

                      Id been planning to pick up an Aeropress for some time (just never got around to it!), but now Im not sure...  Is the general concensus that french press is the way to go for milky drinks?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Hario or presso or chemex...

                        Originally posted by 65606C68646F6936010 link=1306816229/10#10 date=1306885152
                        first time Ive heard that Aeropress and milky are possibly not a good match
                        More info/opinions here: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1215044815/all

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                        • #13
                          Re: Hario or presso or chemex...

                          Originally posted by 796F6A6A7B79757C7C7F7F1A0 link=1306816229/11#11 date=1306887675
                          More info/opinions here: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1215044815/all
                          Thanks - I have read through that thread before, and just had another skim through.  A few "does a great long black" type comments, but youre still the first to put it as bluntly as "I really dont feel it is suitable at all for milky drinks".

                          But hey, at $50 odd its still worth a try based on a lot of positive opinion.  I may just move away from milk based drinks.  Im primarly looking for at work, and take away camping/holidays.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Hario or presso or chemex...

                            Hi Damien,

                            I know very few people who havent been impressed by the Aeropress.

                            Do get a Coava disk for yours rather than using the paper filters. It takes coffee to a new level.

                            As for milk, I guess if youre happy to add milk to a coffee from a stove top or press, you will be ok with milk with an Aeropress. For me, if its milky, I want it to be added to espresso

                            Cheers

                            Chris

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                            • #15
                              Re: Hario or presso or chemex...

                              Originally posted by 7E21392F242F232A2A2929212D224C0 link=1306816229/13#13 date=1306889292
                              As for milk, I guess if youre happy to add milk to a coffee from a stove top or press, you will be ok with milk with an Aeropress. For me, if its milky, I want it to be added to espresso
                              Ideally, same for me.  But beyond forking out for a new machine, Im keen to orgainse something simple for at at work. 

                              I prefer stovetop over french press, but that could be due to my technique, which may need work with each!  I suppose the added factor is that heated milk, or a splash of milk, is quite different to textured milk.  Ive seen some stove top contraptions that have a steam arm on them... they might be a good item to keep an eye out for.

                              Again, based on the weight of positive opinion, I will try to get my hands on an AP soon... birthday in a few weeks, and its sold at a great "birthday pressie" price-point!  Time to drop some not-so-subtle hints, I think 

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