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  • Bunn Trifecta the Clover/Syphon alternate?

    Another overpriced commercial coffee brewer maybe or will they eventually become better priced. Saw a video of these landed local for circa $5k  : Anyone seen tasted or used one in the flesh?

    http://www.trifectaexperience.com/ 29Mb video shows A LOT of agitation of the mix not sure if that can be tweaked at all.

    [media]http://www.trifectaexperience.com/trifecta_video.wmv[/media]

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    Re: Bunn Trifecta the Clover/Syphon alternate?

    Looks really interesting.

    With the number of variables that can be programmed I wonder though if you wouldnt find a sweet spot just when you only had 30gm of that particular bean left? :-/

    Fortunately, I dont think Ive got room for it on my counter.

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    • #3
      Re: Bunn Trifecta the Clover/Syphon alternate?

      Originally posted by 797E7A757D776272757C1B0 link=1283334444/0#0 date=1283334444
      Anyone seen tasted or used one in the flesh?
      Yuppers. Andy and I saw them and tasted their output at the 2010 SCAA show. Quite the interesting machine that looks to be able to get the most from any bean. Looking at them and listening to the buzz they were generating they appeared to be sounding the death toll of the Clover.

      Originally posted by 797E7A757D776272757C1B0 link=1283334444/0#0 date=1283334444
      video shows A LOT of agitation of the mix not sure if that can be tweaked at all.
      As I recall it is indeed tweakable. Pretty much every variable on it appeared to be tweakable.


      Java "Gotta love tweakability!" phile
      Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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      • #4
        Re: Bunn Trifecta the Clover/Syphon alternate?

        Originally posted by 7F787C737B716474737A1D0 link=1283334444/0#0 date=1283334444
        Another overpriced commercial coffee brewer maybe or will they eventually become better priced. Saw a video of these now being imported by Wolff Coffee Roasters in Queensland circa $5kRoll Eyes Anyone seen tasted or used one in the flesh?
        how is this overpriced? for a commercial operation surely its about ROI, and if a business can see that the volume of brewed coffee produced will meet demand in their outlet & deliver a margin that covers SG&A and produces a profit then the price is just right. The R&D that has gone into this must have been substantial considering its operation.

        It is not a piece of kit for the home!

        The Clover has been dead since Charbuck$ bought the company and all their finished stock.

        Ive had a few coffees from the prototype that was doing the rounds and while Im prepared to admit I was a little underwhelmed, this is more to do with the coffee being put in it and operator inexperience. It definitely has potential. Like any tool, it will take time for operators to get the best from it but speaking for myself, Ill be happy to try more coffee from these once they start to appear in more places.

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        • #5
          Re: Bunn Trifecta the Clover/Syphon alternate?

          Originally posted by 6A6D69666E647161666F080 link=1283334444/0#0 date=1283334444
          Another overpriced
          I would have said well priced, the Clover street price was $15,000 odd.

          Originally posted by 6A6D69666E647161666F080 link=1283334444/0#0 date=1283334444
          A LOT of agitation of the mix not sure if that can be tweaked at all.
          Yes it can. There are a finite amount of variables that can be programmed including the agitation, steep time, temperature etc.  You then save these as one of 20 button memories.

          Originally posted by 4C6D6666617B080 link=1283334444/1#1 date=1283335766
          I wonder though if you wouldnt find a sweet spot just when you only had 30gm of that particular bean left?
          I guess that can (and will) happen with anything.  The beauty here is that if the roaster has a sweet spot for a particular blend/roast then they can tell all the stores what settings to use.  In theory you could get the same coffee from any number of stores in a chain.

          Originally posted by 6069726B606D65080 link=1283334444/3#3 date=1283374764
          The R&D that has gone into this must have been substantial considering its operation.
          I was told by Bunn that the R&D was pretty much an open ended budget, they had a goal of making the best brewer they could and kept spending money until they had it ready for market.

          Originally posted by 42697E69786061646D080 link=1283334444/2#2 date=1283366788
          Yuppers. Andy and I saw them and tasted their output at the 2010 SCAA show
          Ah, yes we did, boy that seems like such a long time ago.

          Originally posted by 42697E69786061646D080 link=1283334444/2#2 date=1283366788
          they appeared to be sounding the death toll of the Clover.
          Ahh the Clover.  The machine that the whole world loved until Starbucks bought it.  
          ;D

          The Clover was a good idea but having the variable of the person behind the counter using a squeegee in the middle of the process means that results may not always be the same.

          Drip and syphon bars often suffer from the same thing, too many operator variables to get the same result over and over again.

          The other gotcha with the Clover, drip and syphon is the large amount of labour costs involved per cup making the end product more expensive than it needs to be in a business scenario.

          The Trifecta has a very small footprint as its a vertical machine so it could sit beside an existing espresso machine and grinder setup.  Time spent per cup is similar to espresso so the labour cost is low.  Variables are kept to a minimum after setup for each bean/roast.

          Its a good thing.

          It wont suit the caramel latte drinker but will suit anyone who likes a clean, drip style coffee.

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          • #6
            Re: Bunn Trifecta the Clover/Syphon alternate?

            I am with you guys I think the clovers days are numbered too, watery thin brews and still finicky to get consistency. Price was always OTT.

            ROI interesting if you look at productivity per $$ in to $$ out then it is fairly expensive (not comparing it to a clover) if you look at a brew time of around 2 minutes for a single cup out plus some cleaning time for the Bunn so maybe 20-25 cups an hour? To make one of these really affordable I suspect you might really need two to keep a Barista working affordable during the busy times?

            Personally I fail to see much if any difference in productivity over a skilled Barista using a couple of Syphons or a bank of manual Pour Overs so I suspect the $5-10k may not be money well spent in all cases.

            In the chain store type of operation or as Andy mentions above getting a recipe from the roaster the repeatability is where this machine will win all the time. I hope it is more forgiving than the clover because I have seen plenty of beans used "just dialling it in" which gets expensive if you are dealing with some of the better beans that will find their way into this.

            All those things said it is a cool attempt at an automated Syphon

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            • #7
              Re: Bunn Trifecta the Clover/Syphon alternate?

              Hmm, I had a play with it for a few hours a few months ago. There are a billion variables, but if you just make some of them fixed, and go from there you can tweak just a few things like brew times, dose, temp, agitation(which I turned right down) etc. Its different from syphon brewing as the water is not being heated during the extraction. Different also from Clover brewed coffee. Its closer to aeropress, but cos its a metal mesh filter its a bit murky. That said, I did throw an aeropress filter in the bottom of it and it almost blew it up (not really, but it did extract a lot slower on the drawdown). It has potential to be kinda cool. Id take it if someone gave me one

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              • #8
                Re: Bunn Trifecta the Clover/Syphon alternate?

                lol Yeeza....

                Cafenatics Docklands is running 2 Trifectas side by side for filter coffee. [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

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                • #9
                  Re: Bunn Trifecta the Clover/Syphon alternate?

                  and some more thoughts and a hands on look from Mr Seng here http://www.espressoschool.com.au/blo...by-cup-brewing

                  Any thoughts on Multi Syphon productivity compared to one or even two of these?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Bunn Trifecta the Clover/Syphon alternate?

                    Originally posted by 0A252F324B0 link=1283334444/4#4 date=1283406444
                    Ahh the Clover.The machine that the whole world loved until Starbucks bought it.
                    Grin

                    The Clover was a good idea but having the variable of the person behind the counter using a squeegee in the middle of the process means that results may not always be the same.

                    Drip and syphon bars often suffer from the same thing, too many operator variables to get the same result over and over again.

                    The other gotcha with the Clover, drip and syphon is the large amount of labour costs involved per cup making the end product more expensive than it needs to be in a business scenario.

                    The Trifecta has a very small footprint as its a vertical machine so it could sit beside an existing espresso machine and grinder setup.Time spent per cup is similar to espresso so the labour cost is low.Variables are kept to a minimum after setup for each bean/roast.

                    Its a good thing.
                    I would agree...and unlike the Clover, I believe that people who actually purchase this machine would be able to recoup their costs and make money. At a fraction of the price of the Clover when it was still available it strikes me as a great alternative to mechanised single cup brewing. Using the machine is a breeze. Grind coffee in to filter handle, load it in the machine, press button to brew, put cup underneath. Walk away and do something else.

                    Originally posted by 5750545B53594C5C5B52350 link=1283334444/8#8 date=1286247609
                    Any thoughts on Multi Syphon productivity compared to one or even two of these?
                    Unless you have a bank of them all simultaneously brewing, unfortunately people are just going to have to wait just like the Clover.

                    For multiple beverage cup-by-cup brewing, Id probably choose to do Clever Coffee Drippers. Consistent and easy. Extremely low outlay compared to the thousands of dollars required for one of these bad boys or a fully equipped syphon bar.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Bunn Trifecta the Clover/Syphon alternate?

                      I tried another trifecta brew while in Melbs last week. Honestly, Im still a little underwhelmed. I can see the potential benefits of the system but I had a better tasting brewed coffee the same day from a pourover. The trifecta was reminiscent of swissgold filter brewing in the cup. Like anything new, theres going to be a learning curve ...

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                      • #12
                        Re: Bunn Trifecta the Clover/Syphon alternate?

                        Originally posted by 3D342F363D3038550 link=1283334444/10#10 date=1286311211
                        I tried another trifecta brew while in Melbs last week. Honestly, Im still a little underwhelmed. I can see the potential benefits of the system but I had a better tasting brewed coffee the same day from a pourover. The trifecta was reminiscent of swissgold filter brewing in the cup. Like anything new, theres going to be a learning curve ...
                        I think that could be its biggest asset. Some friends/customers of mine dont like paper filtered pourovers as they are too clean and lack body.

                        French Press has its limitations.

                        So maybe the Trifecta offers something new to the market?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Bunn Trifecta the Clover/Syphon alternate?

                          Originally posted by 6C676262776C616261607D65670E0 link=1283334444/11#11 date=1286348650
                          Some friends/customers of mine dont like paper filtered pourovers as they are too clean and lack body.
                          wow, too clean? really? this is what is so awesome about people, were all different! See, thats what I enjoy about paper filtered pourover or CCD brews. For me, I find swissgold brews murky and sometimes a bit sludgey - if that makes sense.

                          There is no doubt the Trifecta offers something new to the market though!

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                          • #14
                            Re: Bunn Trifecta the Clover/Syphon alternate?

                            Paper filter - clean, lacks body = clarity of flavour = exploration of intrinsic nature of coffee

                            Metal filter - more body, less clarity of flavour (read: muted flavours)

                            Everyone knows this. The preference for one style over the other is moot until filter coffee is fully embraced alongside espresso in Australia.

                            Originally posted by 6069726B606D65080 link=1283334444/10#10 date=1286311211
                            I tried another trifecta brew while in Melbs last week. Honestly, Im still a little underwhelmed. I can see the potential benefits of the system but I had a better tasting brewed coffee the same day from a pourover. The trifecta was reminiscent of swissgold filter brewing in the cup. Like anything new, theres going to be a learning curve ...
                            Maybe the barista didnt fully have the Trifecta recipe fully dialed in foe that coffee. The Trifecta offers reliability and consistency which all manual brewing methods do not.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Bunn Trifecta the Clover/Syphon alternate?

                              David that is a pretty BIG CALL!

                              I love paper filtered coffee too, my preferred method. But it certainly has its issues. Namely paper taste.

                              I see other filtering methods having a significant role to play. Metal filters, cloth filters etc.

                              There is no doubt you can make great brewed coffee without paper. Clover, Syphon, French Press, Neru etc. I would argue that you can make great coffee without muting the flavours.

                              Suppose I need to spend some time with a Trifecta now!!

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