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    hi yall!

    I have got a sunbeam em6910 espresso machine. And upon going to the free coffee class I now realise there is a difference between the pour speeds in the em6910s at the school and my one. Mine is only about 2 months old and on average has made about 1 cup a day.

    I have opened the shower curtain and scrubed it all, flushed the system contiunuosly and descaled however I still cant seem to match the schools EM6910.


    The guy at the school said to take the PLASTIC flooring at the bottom of the handle out as its useless so I did. But still .

    At the school I could see the creme and changes of colour and texture right from the spout but in mine its a trickle at the 2oclock position(ideal).


    I have used 3 different types of beans Harris Brazilian, Harris Columbian and Lavazzoria(sp?). However no difference.



    therefore;

    1. Does anyone else have this flow issue? What did you do? What should I do?
    2. Did anyone else notice the difference in the schools em6910 flow and your own??
    3. Anyone else taken the plastic bottom off from the handle??
    4. Suggestions?

  • #2
    Re: SUNBEAM em6910 flow issues?

    Are you using a double floor basket or the single ?

    Remove the basket and look to the light...  If you can see only one small hole; then your using the pressurised basket- Note: SB even mention this on page 8 of the Instruction manual.

    1:  What grinder ?
    2:  What grind settings ?

    Many people think it is all a simple process, however as you will learn... There are a few simple steps such as;

    1: Fresh beans
    2: The grind
    3: The tamp

    And this will make all the difference.  From there you can stop if your happy or keep tweaking in an effort to get the best from your machine.

    Welcome to CS...

    Where are you located ?

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    • #3
      Re: SUNBEAM em6910 flow issues?

      Hi sampam and welcome to CS.

      Dont worry, this question come up all the time and easily fixed.

      The coffee your are using is ultra-stale, hence the quick pours and lack of crema. Sunbeam trainers usually make a point of recommending that people buy fresh coffee, from a local roaster or one of the Sponsors on the left, including me.

      It will make all the difference.

      Cheers!

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      • #4
        Re: SUNBEAM em6910 flow issues?

        Hi Sampam, and welcome to coffeesnobs.
        You first need to start with freshly roasted coffee. Then preferably grind your own beans as you need them.Dont pay to much attention to the pressure gauge on the machine.You will need to tamp your coffee quite firm and once the porta filter is inserted into the group head the showerscreen screw should make a little mark in the puck.I aim for 30mls of espresso in 40 secs.

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        • #5
          Re: SUNBEAM em6910 flow issues?

          Oh... While 2 may have been what you saw at the coffee school, if your unit is NEW then, you may have one that has a recalibrated gauge.

          See here as to what you might like to do to check.

          http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1227858558

          Then go to here

          http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?board=BrewMid

          As this is where most of the posts about the EM6910 tend to go.

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          • #6
            Re: SUNBEAM em6910 flow issues?

            Originally posted by AngerManagement link=1228718331/0#1 date=1228719102
            Are you using a double floor basket or the single ?

            Remove the basket and look to the light...  If you can see only one small hole; then your using the pressurised basket- Note: SB even mention this on page 8 of the Instruction manual.

            1:  What grinder ?
            2:  What grind settings ?

            Many people think it is all a simple process, however as you will learn... There are a few simple steps such as;

            1: Fresh beans
            2: The grind
            3: The tamp

            And this will make all the difference.  From there you can stop if your happy or keep tweaking in an effort to get the best from your machine.

            Welcome to CS...

            Where are you located ?

            hi

            Im using a single basket. Taking it out i see tons of small holes and there is no additional basket etc underneath/above. Hence 1 basket with tons of holes. SAME as the coffee school.

            1. SUNBEAM EM0480
            2. Current environmental conditions a setting of 5-6 on the grinder gives me a 2oclock pressure gauge.


            Apart from possibly the beans neither my tamping nor my grinding is the issue and I seriously doubt the coffee beans could be it. Sure the beans contribute but it cant affect it to that point and I mean it when I said trickle.

            Based in Perth.

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            • #7
              Re: SUNBEAM em6910 flow issues?

              Originally posted by cuppacoffee link=1228718331/0#2 date=1228719124
              Hi sampam and welcome to CS.

              Dont worry, this question come up all the time and easily fixed.

              The coffee your are using is ultra-stale, hence the quick pours and lack of crema.  Sunbeam trainers usually make a point of recommending that people buy fresh coffee, from a local roaster or one of the Sponsors on the left, including me.

              It will make all the difference.

              Cheers!
              ??? The problem is MINE isnt pouring fast enough. The coffee at the school was pouring much faster than mine. The school was using 5 senses beans. And your right the were recommending to everyone to get good beans

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              • #8
                Re: SUNBEAM em6910 flow issues?

                Originally posted by martybean link=1228718331/0#3 date=1228719510
                Hi Sampam, and welcome to coffeesnobs.
                You first need to start with freshly roasted coffee. Then preferably grind your own beans as you need them.Dont pay to much attention to the pressure gauge on the machine.You will need to tamp your coffee quite firm and once the porta filter is inserted into the group head the showerscreen screw should make a little mark in the puck.I aim for 30mls of espresso in 40 secs.
                Im nowhere near 30ml. Maybe 5 or 10ml at best.

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                • #9
                  Re: SUNBEAM em6910 flow issues?

                  The coffee is being packed too tight...

                  1: Beans - Fresh is best
                  2: Grind - Suggest at 6 on the EM0480 is too fine
                  3: Tamp

                  The beans will and do contribute ..... Many of us here have had plenty of experience with these units and the issues of points 1,2 and 3 affect ALL coffee machines, not just the SB.

                  1: Back off on your grind and try again...  
                  2: Then do it again...

                  Find the balance between grind and Tamp..  ( Do not swap between beans)

                  As TG is fond of saying "CHANGE only one thing at a time" and then repeat it more than once to confirm the change.

                  NOTE: Once you get it right and get more beans / or go to one of the others you have, YOU will need to reset your grind yet again.

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                  • #10
                    Re: SUNBEAM em6910 flow issues?

                    1. Does anyone else have this flow issue? What did you do? What should I do?
                    If yours is pouring too slow you need a courser grind.
                    2. Did anyone else notice the difference in the schools em6910 flow and your own??
                    I havent been but have heard of this.
                    3. Anyone else taken the plastic bottom off from the handle??
                    We all have.
                    4. Suggestions?
                    Agree with AM, 5-6 is too fine. From memeory the instruction book says 12-13.
                    The single basket pours slower, so you may need to go courser.

                    Ignore the guage for now.
                    I use it as an indicator once everything else looks to be in order.

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                    • #11
                      Re: SUNBEAM em6910 flow issues?

                      Originally posted by sampam link=1228718331/0#5 date=1228721978

                      1. SUNBEAM EM0480
                      2. Current environmental conditions a setting of 5-6 on the grinder gives me a 2oclock pressure gauge.


                      Apart from possibly the beans neither my tamping nor my grinding is the issue and I seriously doubt the coffee beans could be it. Sure the beans contribute but it cant affect it to that point and I mean it when I said trickle.

                      Based in Perth.
                      1: A follow the instructions I gave in the first link - this will confirm the SB sweet spot. Then read some of the other links on the EM0480 in the Grinder topic.

                      2: Many of us, after years of playing, still have issues with getting the Grind and Tamp spot on.

                      I am still learning after 2 years and having 3 EM6910s, as they all have their own little quirks..

                      I and others can only provide advice and pass on our experience, it your choice to take it on board or ignore it.

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                      • #12
                        Re: SUNBEAM em6910 flow issues?

                        Originally posted by sampam link=1228718331/0#6 date=1228722137

                        ??? The problem is MINE isnt pouring fast enough.  The coffee at the school was pouring much faster than mine.  The school was using 5 senses beans. And your right the were recommending to everyone to get good beans
                        Oops. Sorry. Too many good coffees. Pay no heed to me. Do what the others say. ;D

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                        • #13
                          Re: SUNBEAM em6910 flow issues?

                          Originally posted by AngerManagement link=1228718331/0#8 date=1228723177
                          The coffee is being packed too tight...

                          1: Beans - Fresh is best
                          2: Grind - Suggest at 6 on the EM0480 is too fine
                          3: Tamp

                          The beans will and do contribute ..... Many of us here have had plenty of experience with these units and the issues of points 1,2 and 3 affect ALL coffee machines, not just the SB.

                          1: Back off on your grind and try again...  
                          2: Then do it again...

                          Find the balance between grind and Tamp..  ( Do not swap between beans)

                          As TG is fond of saying "CHANGE only one thing at a time" and then repeat it more than once to confirm the change.

                          NOTE: Once you get it right and get more beans / or go to one of the others you have, YOU will need to reset your grind yet again.

                          I was using the same settings and pressure amount as I was doing at the coffee school with faster flow and better quality.


                          When I change the grind to a courser setting the pressure gauge drops in relation as well. So if I try say 15 the needle doesnt even get to the 10oclock position and comes out yucky. even with all the tamping pressure I can muster.

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                          • #14
                            Re: SUNBEAM em6910 flow issues?

                            Originally posted by Thundergod link=1228718331/0#9 date=1228723464
                            1. Does anyone else have this flow issue? What did you do? What should I do?
                            If yours is pouring too slow you need a courser grind.
                            2. Did anyone else notice the difference in the schools em6910 flow and your own??
                            I havent been but have heard of this.
                            3. Anyone else taken the plastic bottom off from the handle??
                            We all have.
                            4. Suggestions?
                            Agree with AM, 5-6 is too fine. From memeory the instruction book says 12-13.
                            The single basket pours slower, so you may need to go courser.

                            Ignore the guage for now.
                            I use it as an indicator once everything else looks to be in order.

                            Im not using the single basket. Im using the big double basket.

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                            • #15
                              Re: SUNBEAM em6910 flow issues?

                              Every Machine is different and thus you have to try.. The ones in the training have often been set to be about the same.. Or the instructor will know their setting for the beans they are using.

                              If 6 = 2:00 and reduced pour and 15 = Watery and 10:00

                              Then as per the SB manual it may need to be around 10 - 12 ...

                              The settings are rather course and not exact... Thus one or two clicks at most and then a couple of shots...

                              Have you done the test yet to see where you sweet spot is ???

                              On my three is it 11:00, 12:00 and 2:00 All different and thus as we have said the gauge is a GUIDE. Further more they all require slightly different dose levels and tamping due to age etc etc..

                              Do not rush and then blame the equipment... As most of teh CS members will tell you... Many times it is PEBKAC.

                              Keep trying and take it slowly..

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