Re: Poll for EM6910ers - sweet spot vs god shot
Havent tried the SS but sitting sweet at about 12:00 or just beyond for a GS
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Re: Poll for EM6910ers - sweet spot vs god shot
Just tested my 6910, the sweet spot using a double dual floor basket was dead on 11:30.
a Good shot i would say 10:00 to 11:30
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Re: Poll for EM6910ers - sweet spot vs god shot
> 1400Originally posted by 787F646C6B797E0A0 link=1259038566/21#21 date=1261829698How come there is no 1500 on the poll?
[img]http://www.coffeetamper.com.au/**/reviews/sunbeam-silvia/images/magnet-6910-big.jpg[/img]
Besides if ya have to red line it all the time and or ya Sweet spot is at 1500... Then the gauge is way out of wack or your pushing the system to its limits...
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Re: Poll for EM6910ers - sweet spot vs god shot
How come there is no 1500 on the poll?
[img]http://www.coffeetamper.com.au/**/reviews/sunbeam-silvia/images/magnet-6910-big.jpg[/img]
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Re: Poll for EM6910ers - sweet spot vs god shot
usually it is about 1300 for the most part... after many changes and the training classes i have managed to get some good shots out there... love it!
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As the gauges are all diferent... The numbers we refer to... Should be refrenced to a clock face... ie. 12:00 is dead top centre. Trust that helps.Originally posted by 554A4A250 link=1259038566/18#18 date=1260861350This is prob a dumb question ;D But is when you say 1300 or 11.00 etc are you meaning notchs on the guage? If so mines running a around the 8th (in between the light and med tan colours) with both dual and single floor baskets, but it soemtimes wont seal a leaks like a bitch!
GS is further up the guage around the middle of the dark brown.
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Re: Poll for EM6910ers - sweet spot vs god shot
This is prob a dumb question ;D But is when you say 1300 or 11.00 etc are you meaning notchs on the guage? If so mines running a around the 8th (in between the light and med tan colours) with both dual and single floor baskets, but it soemtimes wont seal a leaks like a bitch!
GS is further up the guage around the middle of the dark brown.
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Re: Poll for EM6910ers - sweet spot vs god shot
I use the double unpressurised basket. I aim for the 1300 for the GS spot & give or take an hour for a great shot. I find the 1300 best for my machine,
The calibration shot (my version) with the pressurised basket for my machine was at 1400.
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Re: Poll for EM6910ers - sweet spot vs god shot
SS is a bit above 11.00 on mine...
GS closer to 11.45 based upon a (fairly) heavy tamped, fine (but not too fine) grind and a double shot single floor basket.
I have found the need to adjust the grind depending on the beans however (hence Ive now got a little notepad sitting next to the grinder until I work my way through all the beans I want to try and settle on my preferred blends)
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Re: Poll for EM6910ers - sweet spot vs god shot
OT... You naughty person you..Originally posted by 2B30392F2C21580 link=1259038566/14#14 date=1259120741Well...
How about "within loosely acceptable limits spot" then
But still not what you should be aiming for during a pour.
Who told you that my PSA test was high and causing flow and direction problems..
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Re: Poll for EM6910ers - sweet spot vs god shot
Well...Originally posted by 77585153447B57585751535B535842360 link=1259038566/13#13 date=1259120091As to the following.. NO
shawty wrote on Today at 1:49pm:
I think the more appropriate word should be "calibration spot"
How about "within loosely acceptable limits spot" then ;D
But still not what you should be aiming for during a pour.
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Re: Poll for EM6910ers - sweet spot vs god shot
Little Vs No....Originally posted by 776C6573707D040 link=1259038566/8#8 date=1259105973So the sweet spot bears very little relationship to a good pour.
Perceptions and that is why trying to help people is so Difficult.. Most only read what they wish to see..
Then there are those that want the finest detail and proof, and others that expect that you have esp and know every thing about their machine/ the way its used and how they use it.. My coffee is crap, please help ?
Then the other side is that Generalization can be a good approach if you accept that some DETAIL may be left out or over looked.. However the other parties also need to be on the same page.
Saw two units only yesterday - Lurkers - They said they got the info from CS ???? Have been OVERDOSING and running their EM6910 and a EM4800C to the max.. The 6910 had dule floor and the 4800 had a roughfly made single... Guess what
- Collar on teh 6910 - Stuffed - Black hard plastic collar on the EM4800 cracked and ONE lug on the PF broken...
As to the following.. NO
A major misunderstanding for many is the term Calibration - Do a few years of Metrololgy and you will very quickly see why.Originally posted by 776C6573707D040 link=1259038566/12#12 date=1259117389I think the more appropriate word should be "calibration spot"
In essence a number of measurements and adjustment / change.... In general... users can not alter the reading...
But I digress...
The principle that I have attempted to communicate through generalisation etc is that there are a number of items that need to be understood about the EM6910 and that the gauge is an indicator. Thus before you start complaining or advising where the gauge should be... You need to know the limitations and what the unit is doing without USER intervention...
The duel floor basket - Did I forget to say that it needs to be clean - Opps assumptions... How naughty of me. As to the Hole size... very accurate ( Opps assumes that said user has not been poking said hole with a sharp object). I could go on but I wont for now...
( In the Middle of calibrating an array of some very special Photomultipliers - Clinical outcome is at risk).
Love to all.... Is it not an eye opener :
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Re: Poll for EM6910ers - sweet spot vs god shot
I didnt say "NO relation"Originally posted by 0B242D2F38072B242B2D2F272F243E4A0 link=1259038566/9#9 date=1259106809Huhh - Tell that to every supplier who calibrates theirtop end machines that is has NO relation to a GS..
The so-called sweet spot is obtained by pumping water under pressure from a pump that would probably vary in pressure from machine to machine through a 0.4 hole that would probably vary in size and the resulting pressure being measured by an uncallibrated guage to obtain a reading that is OK if its within +/- 2 hours.
I think this bears little resemblance to a top end machine supplier calibrating their machines pump pressure with a calibrated pressure guage.
To me the word "sweet spot" refers to a point you would be aiming for during a pour or for anything for that matter. I think the more appropriate word should be "calibration spot"
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Re: Poll for EM6910ers - sweet spot vs god shot
I think some are missing the pointOriginally posted by 5875350 link=1259038566/10#10 date=1259108386This is what I still dont quite get - the quality of a pour depends on beans plus grind/dose/tamp - you cant get a good pour without good GDT so if your pours are consistently good you have managed your GDT by definition!
The opposite is not necessarily true though: you can fluke a great shot blindly following the pressure gauge - but it will be more by luck than by judgment and not repeatable.
We are all looking for that God shot...
I have seen people pull some interesting shots - some actually tast OK and they have done it breaking every rule ;D
A: However, consistency is not attainable
B: Temp of water and the Pressure / flow are the two main mechanical things that all good machines try to manage and to keep consistent..
It is then up to the user to manage the other variables... That way they can be supported and you can compare methods and outcomes to some extent... My shot is bitter or sour... Those responding will assume any number of factors are Stable and consistent.
In the top end posts you will see a lot about 0.9 / 1.0 and 1.1 and the effect it has on what in the cup and teh shot... If any of these said they get a great shot at 1.5 or higher ..... Most of us would ask... What is wrong ? Gauge / Temp / Method / Machine out of whack etc etc
Thus at no stage in any of my posts have I said that the SS is the only factor... The gauge is highly unreliable!!!! Well not repeatable across one to teh next. Same goes for USERS ;D
Hence, when people say - Ya need to be running in the RED... It is incorrect for many systems.
If they say their SS is 12 and they are running at 3 then it is an indicator that there is a problem with THEIR METHOD... They are over extracting ? - Maybe.. It may give a good shot; but is due to QUALITY of the BEANS / Grind etc
If their SS is 11 and running at 11:30 - 12:00 and getting bitter or sour.. Then it could be Temperature or something else...
But at least those trying to assist, have a better understanding of how the / your unit might be running...
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Re: Poll for EM6910ers - sweet spot vs god shot
This is what I still dont quite get - the quality of a pour depends on beans plus grind/dose/tamp - you cant get a good pour without good GDT so if your pours are consistently good you have managed your GDT by definition!
The opposite is not necessarily true though: you can fluke a great shot blindly following the pressure gauge - but it will be more by luck than by judgment and not repeatable.
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