Re: New Silvia or used VBM Domobar Super / Rocket E61
Btw make sure you always fill the boiler after steaming, its vital to do that so u dont fry your heating element.
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Re: New Silvia or used VBM Domobar Super / Rocket E61
Upgrading from a Silvia to a domobar super I find that the shots from the vbm are far more superior to the Silvia. The vbm is so much more forgiving then the silvia, a new operator will find it easier to use. The Silvia is still a very rewarding purchase and will not disappoint but upgraditis will hit.
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Well done 1170. Im sure youll get the most out of it... your advice below suggests youre on the right track
Originally posted by 3C353C2F3C372D202A3C2F3C37590 link=1318803343/3#3 date=1318807659For the grinder, Ive just about got my hands on a used mazzer mini. If that falls through Id probably look at a used Baratza Precisio, or maybe the Breville "smart grinder" which has had mixed reviews.
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Just a quick update, I pulled the trigger on a Silvia. It should arrive later today. Still undecided on a grinder at the moment, but I have use of a friends Sunbeam EM0480 for a week or two while hes away.
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Re: New Silvia or used VBM Domobar Super / Rocket E61
Maybe not in $NZ?
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Should be able to get a PID Silvia for around that price. That will make steaming a little easier and wiil be capable of seriously good shots.Originally posted by 20292033202B313C362033202B450 link=1318803343/0#0 date=1318803343my budget for a machine is around 1100 - 1200.
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SI(ngle boiler machines are manual fill, as a rule. YOU have to turn on the hot water switch and open the valve, or turn on the brew function to allow the steam in the boiler to be displaced by the inflow of water until the boiler is filled. With an auto fill machine (all HX and DB machines) There is a sensor in the steam boiler that triggers electronics to turn on the pump and open a solenoid to allow water to be pumped into the boiler to a level regulated by the depth of the sensor. This happens even if the user is not in attendance as long as the machine is on.Originally posted by 213A3B2C3864550 link=1318803343/10#10 date=1318942667... i was wondering what you meant by this, doesnt the Silvia boiler refill automatically as you use the hot water, the same as the Saeco V V does.
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I only have a Saeco V V and would like to upgrade as well so i was wondering what you meant by this, doesnt the Silvia boiler refill automatically as you use the hot water, the same as the Saeco V V does.Originally posted by 3628303D2B2833325C0 link=1318803343/1#1 date=1318804255will autofill the boiler
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Thanks for all the advice, I think Id be best served with a new Silvia. The VBM/Rockets are obviously better machines, but I lack the knowledge and experience to adequately judge their used value and condition.
Ive been offered a pretty good deal on a new Silvia, which I think I will take sometime later this week. If I do feel the need to upgrade, I think the Silvia will still hold most of its value so I wouldnt necessary suffer a great loss.
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Greg Pullman will be so disappointed in you ;DOriginally posted by 3E363E393335570 link=1318803343/7#7 date=1318835288yep - theres a great comparison between the K3T, MM, and M4D somewhere (cant find the link).
http://www.coffeetamper.com.au/**/reviews/mini-k3/
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yep - theres a great comparison between the K3T, MM, and M4D somewhere (cant find the link). Each has + and - but each will do a great job. Im leaning toward the K3T for the price factor also.Originally posted by 777E7764777C666B617764777C120 link=1318803343/5#5 date=1318823554Kompak K3 Touch
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Re: New Silvia or used VBM Domobar Super / Rocket E61
there are more prestigious single boilers with boilers double the size but the price jumps are big.
The 300ml Silvia boiler is fine for steaming three cups (you and your 2 mates) - as long as theyre not soup bowls.
The used VBM / Rocket is more exciting but risky. And not quite as portable - a factor for a uni student?
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Originally posted by 4941494E4442200 link=1318803343/4#4 date=1318808557expect the best, plan for the worst. Unfortunately there could be an unforseen (albeit unlikely) failure. Make sure you get a parts and labour warranty for as long as you can (3 months perhaps on a 2nd hand?)
If youre concerned about the milk, let me tell you the steam on a HX will blow you away compared to a thermoblock! I just bought a 2nd hand HX and Im very happy with the steam. The Silvia will be a bit slower since you have to heat the boiler above brew temp to make steam, then cool it again.
The smart grinder would be slightly under-specced for a Rocket / VBM. Mazzer should be better so long as the burrs are good. But be prepared to spend some time perfecting the grind/dose/tamp with unpressurised 58mm baskets.
good luck! (PS Hawkes Bay has some good roasters if youre anywhere near...)
Those are very wise words! I cant really decide, Ive seen the steam output of the Rocket and VBM and was pretty impressed, but havent been able to see a Silvia in action.
Another grinder Ive been looking at is the Kompak K3 Touch, which by all accounts seems to be really good. I could afford to buy it new as well.
At the moment Im leaning towards the Silvia, but am worried about the steaming capacity. I suppose even if I upgrade later the Silvia should keep its value.
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expect the best, plan for the worst. Unfortunately there could be an unforseen (albeit unlikely) failure. Make sure you get a parts and labour warranty for as long as you can (3 months perhaps on a 2nd hand?)Originally posted by 767F7665767D676A607665767D130 link=1318803343/3#3 date=1318807659so Id hope they would be problem free for a little while
If youre concerned about the milk, let me tell you the steam on a HX will blow you away compared to a thermoblock! I just bought a 2nd hand HX and Im very happy with the steam. The Silvia will be a bit slower since you have to heat the boiler above brew temp to make steam, then cool it again.
The smart grinder would be slightly under-specced for a Rocket / VBM. Mazzer should be better so long as the burrs are good. But be prepared to spend some time perfecting the grind/dose/tamp with unpressurised 58mm baskets.
good luck! (PS Hawkes Bay has some good roasters if youre anywhere near...)
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@SniffCoffee
Thanks for your reply, I realize they are all pretty good machines that are widely recommended on the Internet, but are in completely different price brackets. I havent seen many discussions about whether to go new or get a used better machine. My main concern about the VBM/Rockets are that they are pretty old at around 9-10 years since manufacture.
@WantRancilio
Thanks for your reply. The machines Ive looked at so far have either been recently serviced (element, electronics, seals, thermostat and descaled) or are being sold by a place that has serviced customer trade-in equipment so Id hope they would be problem free for a little while.
Im a Uni student so wont be entertaining much, but my close friends are also pretty addicted to coffee. Between the 3 of us we have: an aeropress, 2 moka pots, Hario V60 pourover, a Breville thermoblock espresso machine, and a Behmor 1600. So Ive got access to freshly roasted beans which makes an amazing difference.
For the grinder, Ive just about got my hands on a used mazzer mini. If that falls through Id probably look at a used Baratza Precisio, or maybe the Breville "smart grinder" which has had mixed reviews.
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