Gaggia Steam Wand Replacement Mod

[Crema_Crem_Crem]

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The 10 seconds is only a figure I decided to use just so it gives the steam a bit of time to kick in before the light comes on. Maybe 12-15 secs may work as well as long as the light does not come on. I guess if you waited 0 secs it would work but some get concerned if they turn the steam on and nothing much happens.

Im finding it to be more like 15-20 seconds if starting with the boiler at brew temp.  At 10 seconds I was either getting nothing or just a little gurgle.  However, if I hit the steam switch, let the boiler reach full steam temp, and then let it cycle again, the 10 seconds is sufficient.  I assume this is because the boiler is already heated up to steam range.  So with this method, you would hit the steam switch, wait for the light to come on, then wait for the light to go OFF to start the 10 second count.  You get strong steam right from the start.  (it is during the second heat-up period, while the light is off, that I do the short purge to clear the wand.)

The reason I even  tried this method is because Ive been using my second-cycle steam method since I got my Classic over two years ago.  I found it improved the steam pressure and longevity, which helped me to get the most out of the panarello wand.  So when I recently did the Sylvia wand mod and read of the 10-second trick,  I adapted it from my second-cycle method.

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SS

Im going to try the 10 second trick tomorrow and ill report back.

The 10 seconds is only a figure I decided to use just so it gives the steam a bit of time to kick in before the light comes on. Maybe 12-15 secs may work as well as long as the light does not come on. I guess if you waited 0 secs it would work but some get concerned if they turn the steam on and nothing much happens.

Also after steaming, even for two cups, when you wipe the wand over purge the wand, turn it on full and take notice of the amount of steam that issues forth. Just for those who say the Classics boiler is too small and doesnt produce enough steam. It doesnt actually take much steam to microfoam otherwise we would end up with a heap of water in the milk!

[silvia_saviour]

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Im happy to say I made the same mod on my Gaggia Classic yesterday with great success! Thanks for all the tips. I also replaced the o-ring and put on the washer that came with the silvia wand. no leaks or anything!

Im just trying to perfect microfoam now. A few more attempts should do it hopefully. Im going to try the 10 second trick tomorrow and ill report back.

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Yes, as strange as it seems, it DOES work. Youre about the third one to prove that I am not a complete nutter. Maybe a nutter but not a complete one!

Just pass it on. Happy microfoaming.

[NewToEspresso]

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NTE, Just to reiterate, bleed with steam switch OFF, about 1-2 teaspoons water only comes out.
DO NOT switch steam on until you have jug and milk etc ready under the wand. Put wand in milk, press  steam switch on.
I then count 1000, 1001 etc etc to 1010, then turn on valve and raise tip for stretching. OK, maybe a little less steam at first but you will be amazed at how quickly the steam builds up and gives a good stretch and swirl, maybe I am easily amazed!!. :-[The steam light should NOT come on during this process.

Ive just tried this yesterday because I dont usually have to make 2 lattes at work and wouldnt you know it... IT WORKS!!! I never had that low pitch growl towards the end that I had before (indicating loss of steam) but it sounded like it was seriously struggling at the start. Better that than losing steam at the end I reckon. Thanks for the tip!

[ben_wren]

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The Coffee has the same wand and location as the Classic, so your mod would use the same part and procedure as I used.  Its well worth it.

Thanks very much.. I have ordered one now! I anticipate drowning in a kitchen full of dense milky joy after my first post-mod latte. If I dont report back, you can assume that is what has happened.

[Crema_Crem_Crem]

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Update to my steam timing:

I tried the method of waiting ten seconds after the steam light goes out to begin frothing. It definitely produced more and stronger steam. This is the method I will stick to, for sure.

[Crema_Crem_Crem]

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The Coffee has the same wand and location as the Classic, so your mod would use the same part and procedure as I used. Its well worth it.

[ben_wren]

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Hi there,

Does anyone know if this modification is possible on the Gaggia Coffee/Coffee Deluxe? It sounds really good and I want to try it but dont want to fork out £27.50 if the wand isnt going to fit my machine! Thanks in advance for your help.

Ben

[mjs]

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NTE, Just to reiterate, bleed with steam switch OFF, about 1-2 teaspoons water only comes out.
DO NOT switch steam on until you have jug and milk etc ready under the wand. Put wand in milk, press  steam switch on.
I then count 1000, 1001 etc etc to 1010, then turn on valve and raise tip for stretching. OK, maybe a little less steam at first but you will be amazed at how quickly the steam builds up and gives a good stretch and swirl, maybe I am easily amazed!!. :-[The steam light should NOT come on during this process.

Cremakid,

Thanks for the technique. Ive used it in the last few days with very good results, but I also get very good results with the "normal" method.

I did the Silvia wand mod some six months ago and its been much better than the Gaggia orginal, but to be honest I have still struggled to get the best microfoam. However, having persisted a bit more recently I have had really excellent results, with the following qualifications.

I need to keep the wand just at the surface of the swirling milk for pretty much the whole time, so that I continually get the ch..ch..ch sound, perhaps with a 5 sec deep plunge at the end. Thermometer says ~60-65deg. I have the 600ml jug on a fair slant and get a really good swirl.

I still find that I run out of steam from time to time with a larger quantity of milk in the jug (loud growling with little steam action) so I guess in my instance I find the Gaggias boiler is probably the smallest that I could tolerate.

Overall I am still very pleased with results

[Crema_Crem_Crem]

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I had been using my "modded" standard Gaggia panarello wand on my Classic (see earlier post: taped over the air intake slot) for about a year and a half with decent results. A couple of months ago the whole assembly blew off while frothing and splattered milk everywhere. I noticed the plastic threads had become stripped and were slipping. I tried a few things to fix it but after every few days or so Id have another milk-splattering incident. I replaced it once with another panarello wand but the same thing happened. Frothing became a cause of anxiety because I never knew if I was going to get a face full of milk or not. My morning latte is supposed to be one of lifes pleasures, so I decided to do the Silvia mod. Here are my notes and tips:

It is simpler on the Classic than on the Carezza in the original post because the attachment occurs just outside the casing, so you dont have to remove the whole steam assembly from the inside. However I did remove the top cover so I could clamp a needle-nose vice grip onto the the nut that the steam wand attaches to. As noted elsewhere on this thread, you want to be careful not to damage the soft brass fittings. The vice grips held the nut steady while I loosened the male fitting that holds the wand in place, and when I tightened it later with the new wand attached. Without doing this, the torque of loosening and tightening would be transferred to the rest of the copper and brass assembly and could damage it.

Once I got the old wand off, the male nut/sleeve would not slide past the bend in the wand. So, as someone else noted, I had to straighten it out a little (bend it out) to get the nut off. I was worried that I might have to do the same to the new Silvia wand but it has a lesser bend already, so putting the male nut on was not a problem.

The original o-ring didnt come out with the old wand so I had to poke at it to get it out. I may have been able to leave it there but I thought it wiser to use the one thats made for the Silvia wand. Im wondering if some of the steam leakage and fit issues mentioned on this thread were due to not removing the old o-ring? and maybe inadvertently having two 0-rings in the fitting?

As others mentioned, you need to sand down the end the Silvia wand a tiny bit to get it to fit. An easy trick to accomplish this in a way that will assure that you keep it round and even: Take a small-ish strip of course sand paper and pinch it around the end of the pipe between your thumb and index finger. Then crank the wand as if you were winding a jack-in-the-box.

Once I got it sanded down enough to fit, I put the Silvia o-ring on and inserted the wand into the Gaggia. I had a pretty snug fit but I didnt want to sand too much off and end up too loose and possibly have leaks. So my new wand doesnt swivel around as freely as the old one but thats fine. I dont really need to swivel it anyway. The Silvia wand came with a little washer that goes on before the male nut. I dont know if thats been mentioned here or not, but anyway, I did use it in my assembly. The Gaggia male nut slides easily over the Silvia wand. With the vice grips still attached to the inside nut, I screwed in and tightened the male nut. I didnt force it all the way and there is a tiny gap between the fittings, but it felt tight enough. Again, I didnt want to force it and damage the threads of the soft brass. I think that because the Silvia o-ring is a little bulkier than the Gaggia one, there isnt room inside the fittings to snug them up all the way.

I slid the rubber sleeve back on and screwed the tip back on, then stood there looking at my new wand mod and smiling. The only thing left to do was test it out for leaks and then try frothing some milk. To my relief, no leaks right from the get-go. Nothing to adjust or re-fit. I got decent micro-foam on the first try and fantastic results on the second. I dont seem to be having any steam pressure or volume issues. I dont open the valve wide, so maybe thats why. I start to froth just after the steam light comes on. Thats a practice I used with the old wand as I found it to be the point at which I got the most pressure out of it. Maybe Ill experiment with some of the other timing methods Ive read here though.

I love my new wand and am so glad I went for it. And the clean up is so much easier. Just a wet cloth to wipe it down and a quick flush of water through it. Now Im thinking about a PID...

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NTE, Just to reiterate, bleed with steam switch OFF, about 1-2 teaspoons water only comes out.
DO NOT switch steam on until you have jug and milk etc ready under the wand. Put wand in milk, press  steam switch on.
I then count 1000, 1001 etc etc to 1010, then turn on valve and raise tip for stretching. OK, maybe a little less steam at first but you will be amazed at how quickly the steam builds up and gives a good stretch and swirl, maybe I am easily amazed!!. :-[
The steam light should NOT come on during this process.

[NewToEspresso]

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I will give that a try then with my Gaggia.What i do with the steaming is slightly different:
After pulling shots, I remove the PF and give the shower screen a quick wipe. Then i hit the steam switch, count to 5 and bleed the steam wand for 1-2 seconds. Then i get my milk and start steaming. Works really well with the 300ml jug but on the 600ml, the stretching phase is fine but starts growling at 50deg mark and the swirling slows down to a halt. Ive opened the knob without milk belfore to see how strong (or weak) the steam is and it is very weak at that point. Maybe if I bleed before hitting the steam switch, I might buy a few more seconds which will just take it up over the line.

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NewToEspresso, I have no trouble steaming for two lattes in a 600mil jug on my Classic and anyone following my method for steaming with a Silvia wand mod can do the same (as some here have). Forget about temps and lights etc etc. Just bleed the valve with the steam switch off after pouring your shots, should take a couple of secs. Position jug under wand, switch steam switch on allow about 10 seconds and open the valve 3/4 for small jug and full for large to stretch milk until 40C then drop wand in milk to swirl and start turning the valve off around 55C to stop at 65C (I prefer). Some like 60C. Thats it. AND it works.

The Gaggia boiler may be small but there is no element inside taking up room. There seems to be continuous steam passing through the boiler. And boy, is there some steam left to use up when heat exchanging to pull more shots.

When one thinks about it, how much water is actually used up to steam milk? IMO it is miniscule. Open up the steam wand into an empty jug  (after first bleeding) for a minute or so and see how much water is actually ends up in the jug.

[NewToEspresso]

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I was thinking of a three hole tip until I finally mastered the Silvia wand with my unorthodox method. I am getting heaps of steam and pressure. I also read on an overseas forum, not sure which now, that the 2 or three hole option is no good. Sounds good but in reality is not.

I believe the reason not to use a 2 or 3 hole steam tip for the Gaggias is that the Gaggia boilers are small and even with the silvia tip which has a larger hole than the Gaggia tips, they will struggle to steam milk for 2 in a 600ml jug. In a 300ml jug for one standard latte, they are great and it almost feels like a big jug on a commercial machine, but when you try to do 2 lattes in a 600ml jug, Just before I get up to the desired temp, it will run out of steam and you know it by the growl it starts to make. At the same time the milk stops swirling around and although the temp still rises, the milk quality that comes out is no longer the nice microfoam. Its ok if you like flat whites still. With a 2 or 3 hole steam tip, Im not sure the Gaggias can sustain the steam for any reasonable period at all. Apart from that, its a great mod and suits me ok because most of the time I only make one latte for myself at work. If I really want to make 2 lattes, Ill steam milk in the 300ml jug for one, re-fill the boiler and steam milk again for the second cup.