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  • rawill
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    Just in case anyone else reads this old thread!
    Breville put out a single walled single and double that will work as well.
    And I found a single walled one on Alibaba, that was supposed to be a double but was bigger than the Breville double.

    Certainly an improvement over the dual wall.
    Grinder is an EM 0440.

    I just had my handle "blow off" and break my cup!
    However, fault was mine, grind too fine, tamped too hard, choked the machine but it was dripping a bit, so I thought I would see how it went!
    Ka-boom.

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  • GregWormald
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    Re: Sunbeam Cafe Aromatic (EM5800) Problems

    Originally posted by 794E59595A584E57575E550A3B0 link=1128380756/41#41 date=1273133426
    Now this is probably a really really dumb question but if i was to replace the existing double basket that came with the 5800 with one that has been mentioned in this thread (i.e. unpressurised/krups style double basket) would I need to change the group handle or is the original one supplied with the machine ok?
    As has been stated here often, and still bears repeating--There is no such thing as a dumb question!!

    You certainly do not want to be changing group handles, and the replacement baskets mentioned should be a good fit. Id be taking my group handle to the shop with me just to ensure that.

    That said, Im not a fan of the Krups baskets, I think the holes are a bit too large, and for the Breville Ikon at least, let too many fine grounds through and into the cup. I prefer to modify the Breville baskets, but have no experience with the EM5800 baskets themselves.

    A single floor basket does make much better coffee, although it usually requires some modification to technique and grind.

    Keep enjoying the coffee trip!

    Greg

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  • inego
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    Re: Sunbeam Cafe Aromatic (EM5800) Problems

    I only read this thread as Im bored, but joy, I know understand the basket thing Ive read about in some other threads!!

    Although Id love a Silvia, a 6910 seems more likely and, as my current machine is a Krups, Ill just swao the baskets over - issue solved!!!

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  • Bubbacullen1
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    Re: Sunbeam Cafe Aromatic (EM5800) Problems

    This thread has been a real treasure trove!

    Now this is probably a really really dumb question but if i was to replace the existing double basket that came with the 5800 with one that has been mentioned in this thread (i.e. unpressurised/krups style double basket) would I need to change the group handle or is the original one supplied with the machine ok?

    Im just wanting to try and get the best out of the machine with small tweaks now that I am starting to roast and grind my own beans. In the meantime, I keep saving those dollar beanies to buy a nice new shiny machine.

    Thks

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  • varanid99
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    Re: Sunbeam Cafe Aromatic (EM5800) Problems

    Hey Mal,

    Originally posted by Mal link=1128380756/30#39 date=1169830110

    You know mahahari I take it

    not at all - but maybe the same problem....as you say, itd be a bit easier to sort out with the grinder info.

    After extensive mucking around though, I can pretty much categorically rule that out as the problem at my end. The pf fits so poorly that even a speck of ground coffee seems to be enough to break the seal between the basket and group seal. But, using the same grind (or even 1 or 2 settings finer), as long as the basket and seal are given a quick wipe just in case, everything works beautifully. Its a bit of a pain when making a couple of coffees in a row, but probably not a bad habit to get into (at least I know itll be spotless when I switch it on in the morning).

    Just to illustrate what Im talking about a little better (I dont have the camera batteries charged), if youre so inclined, take a look at tasadams first post on another thread (http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1168768543). If you have a look at the second photo, theres a very small lip all the way around the (genuine pressurised) basket, which comes directly into contact with the group seal (I tested this theory using the old group seal, and some food dye). The Krups doesnt have this lip, hence the potential for leakage.

    I think that, with a better fitting pf, it probably wouldnt be such a problem, as the pf would be jammed in there pretty tightly. But if its a little loose, it can be a problem. Im going to take steps to remedy this (either by getting a replacement pf, or just good old fashioned tinkering), but the Krups basket has definitely been worthwhile in terms of the end result (aside from the odd occasion when Ive forgotten the wipe, and ended up with water & grounds spurting over the bench, of course)

    Originally posted by Mal link=1128380756/30#39 date=1169830110
    .....it should be relatively simple...
    Right. But relatively is such a relative thing....


    cheers

    J

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  • Dimal
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    Re: Sunbeam Cafe Aromatic (EM5800) Problems

    Originally posted by varanid99 link=1128380756/30#38 date=1169763319
    The grinder (for what its worth) is an EM0480
    Ahh ok v99,

    You know mahahari I take it . With regard to the Krupps baskets, a lot of people have had great success using these with a variety of Sunbeam machines and surmising that the grinder is up to scratch, it should be relatively simple to dial the new baskets in for good quality pours.... I would have thought so anyway :-?. Im not familiar with the particular machine in question as such, just trying to elicit some extra information from mahahari so that we can be more helpful.... In a general sense from my perspective and hopefully in more detail from people such as yourself v99, which you have already done. Its still a bit hitnmiss though without confirmation about the grinder being used.

    All the best mate,
    Mal.

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  • varanid99
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    Re: Sunbeam Cafe Aromatic (EM5800) Problems

    Originally posted by Mal link=1128380756/30#37 date=1169732073
    As I mentioned way back in October, unless we know the type and model of grinder being used, any advice offered is just based on speculation and will therefore be less than optimum. At the risk of repeating myself, whats the make and model of grinder being used? Trying to hazard a guess is not really worth the effort in my book :-?

    Mal.
    Hi Mal,

    Thanks for that; wasnt sure if anyone noticed this old thing getting dredged up again .... The grinder (for what its worth) is an EM0480, but thats not really the thing that concerns me too much - Im pretty sure the problem stems from the ill-fitting basket/pf combo. Id assume that the problem will only get worse over time as the seal degenerates. Im not sure if that was mahaharis problem too, but might as well throw it out there...

    At the moment though, with the right grind, and making sure that the pf & showerscreen are absolutely spotless, theres no leakage...and better results than before. just wondering how long this is going to last....

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  • Dimal
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    Re: Sunbeam Cafe Aromatic (EM5800) Problems

    As I mentioned way back in October, unless we know the type and model of grinder being used, any advice offered is just based on speculation and will therefore be less than optimum. At the risk of repeating myself, whats the make and model of grinder being used? Trying to hazard a guess is not really worth the effort in my book :-?

    Mal.

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  • varanid99
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    Re: Sunbeam Cafe Aromatic (EM5800) Problems

    Originally posted by mahahari link=1128380756/30#32 date=1160467398
    Hi All,

    A newbie here with a problem with the Krups filters in his Sunbeam EM3600. I thought Id try the Krups PF basket tweak, and picked up the one- and two-cup numbers described in this thread. After putting them in and firing it up Ive found they are clogging much more readily that the original pressurised Sunbeam baskets! What am I doing wrong? I havent even been able to get a single shot to go through without bubbling and water running out from the group head.
    Funny - I just did the switch to the non-pressurised baskets, and Im having this problem too, and remembered there was an old thread about it here.

    My take on it is that, at least with my machine, theres two things happening:

    First, the Krups baskets sit a tiny little bit lower in the pf than the Sunbeam baskets. The Sunbeams have a little lip all the way around the top, which I guess comes into contact with the group seal. So, depending on how tightly you can lock in your portafilter, it might be a problem, or it might not.

    Which brings me to the second problem - my original pf broke, and the replacement they sent me doesnt fit quite as snugly as the old one. I have to turn it all the way to the right to lock it in - the old one only needed to be turned just right of centre, if that makes sense. So, even turning it all the way and holding it, theres still potential for a bit of leakage when the basket doesnt have the aforementioned lip.

    So far, its just been a matter of getting the grind right - Im only 1 or 2 steps finer than I was with the pressurized baskets, which surprised me a little. Ive got a brand new group seal (fitted yesterday) and it still has this problem - so Im a little worried about whats going to happen when the seal degenerates over time, because I cant lock the pf in any tighter. Maybe Ill give one of those fancy brass ones a go (mines just got the aluminium one)

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  • A_M
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    Re: Sunbeam Cafe Aromatic (EM5800) Problems

    Originally posted by mahahari link=1128380756/30#32 date=1160467398
    Hi All,

    A newbie here with a problem with the Krups filters in his Sunbeam EM3600. I thought Id try the Krups PF basket tweak, and picked up the one- and two-cup numbers described in this thread. After putting them in and firing it up Ive found they are clogging much more readily that the original pressurised Sunbeam baskets! What am I doing wrong? I havent even been able to get a single shot to go through without bubbling and water running out from the group head.

    The grind Im using works quite reliably in the sunbeam filter without clogging. But with the Krups PF, only a few trickles of espresso pours before the flow slows to a drip and then the PF gasket blows and leaks all over the place. Needless to say, cleaning it up every time isnt much fun...

    Is it possible the unpressurised PF needs a coarser grind than the crema enhanced one? I would have thought the opposite. Or could it be more sensitive to the old Braun burr grinder that Im using thats on its last legs. Its all very strange because I even tried half-filling the Krups PF and hardly tamping at all, and it clogs every time. The pressure seems totally irrelevant. Help!
    Interesting... I use a Krups basket and grind almost a fine as I can ( Modified KG100) and then a solid tamp.

    1: Lock in the Group
    2: Flick the switch
    3: The EM 3600 does its little pre pump and the pauses for a moment
    4: NO Coffee at this stage
    5: Pump kicks in again
    6: After a pause the Coffee will start to appear as a fine trickle (May have to hold the Group in place)
    7: A good colour and more of a flow
    8: Starts to get either a strong blond look OR the flow will increase with a real blond colour
    9: Flick the switch
    10: Look around to see if the wife in close by, if not then enjoy the raw necter
    10a: Wife around, then flick the steam switch and get the milk in the jug
    11: Froth milk, look interested, drink coffee together, pretend to be interested while tossing up how I can get another coffee machine :-)

    PS. Your Group seal could be stuffed ($6) and while the Sunbeam one has changed, I have it on good authorty that the Krups seal is better.

    AM

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  • varanid99
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    Re: Sunbeam Cafe Aromatic (EM5800) Problems

    Ive been reading through threads like this one gathering info, and am about to do the changeover to the Krups baskets. So for the next newbie that comes along and is looking for the baskets, the Melbourne metro service centres have the following prices:

    Home Spares, Box Hill (03 9899 0587) - $11 for the single, $9 for the double. No singles in stock
    Ellis Electrical, Dandenong (9791 1486) - mentioned here by another poster - both in stock, $12 each, $10 postage if required, very helpful bloke
    All Appliance Service & Sales, Heidelberg (9459 9848) - singles and doubles $22 each!!
    Kinnear Electrical Appliance Repairs, West Brunswick (9387 9531) - guy was pretty rude and unhelpful so I didnt bother asking.

    hope thats useful to someone...

    J

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  • Dimal
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    Re: Sunbeam Cafe Aromatic (EM5800) Problems

    Gday mahahari,

    A BIG welcome to CoffeeSnobs [smiley=thumbsup.gif].

    I guess before we can be of any real help to you, we need to know what type of grinder you have and on what setting is it? Hear from ya soon,

    Cheers,
    Mal.

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  • mahahari
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    Re: Sunbeam Cafe Aromatic (EM5800) Problems

    Hi All,  

    A newbie here with a problem with the Krups filters in his Sunbeam EM3600. I thought Id try the Krups PF basket tweak, and picked up the one- and two-cup numbers described in this thread.  After putting them in and firing it up Ive found they are clogging much more readily that the original pressurised Sunbeam baskets! What am I doing wrong? I havent even been able to get a single shot to go through without bubbling and water running out from the group head.

    The grind Im using works quite reliably in the sunbeam filter without clogging. But with the Krups PF, only a few trickles of espresso pours before the flow slows to a drip and then the PF gasket blows and leaks all over the place. Needless to say, cleaning it up every time isnt much fun...

    Is it possible the unpressurised PF needs a coarser grind than the crema enhanced one? I would have thought the opposite. Or could it be more sensitive to the old Braun burr grinder that Im using thats on its last legs. Its all very strange because I even tried half-filling the Krups PF and hardly tamping at all, and it clogs every time. The pressure seems totally irrelevant. Help!

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  • Matt_King
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    Re: Sunbeam Cafe Aromatic (EM5800) Problems

    Sunbeam upgraded their seals some time ago - probably exactly the same part.

    FWIW after a few months the bigger lip on mine is getting pretty ragged and torn... but it doesnt leak... (touch wood)

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  • A_M
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    Re: Sunbeam Cafe Aromatic (EM5800) Problems

    For those that need to replace the PF head seal (what ever you call it) Krups have just upgraded theirs and it fits the Sunbeam ones (3600 and the 4800 for eg) and assming that it will do the 5800 as well.

    You may need to confirm, but I understand it is MS-6230342 and it has an extra lip that helps to seal if and when the preasure builds up... Thus reducing the likley hood of a leak or a blow off that some of us have had after the seals get old or we push ther limits of our machines.

    AM

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