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  • #16
    Re: Sunbeam 6910 advice please

    yep since upgrading from classic to 6910 have also been using milk like crazy! just love drinking more and more coffee now! anyways yeah im with you on the steaming, i got my shot right, then my steaming, then i went back to shot on naked, now back to my steaming and getting pretty good. A tip is as said above - A GOOD PITCHER REALLY HELPS THE 6910. Get as bell shaped as possible with a big spout.

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    • #17
      Re: Sunbeam 6910 advice please

      The Espro toroid fits the bill perfectly.

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      • #18
        Re: Sunbeam 6910 advice please

        Originally posted by Wushoes - David S link=1196407894/15#16 date=1197287922
        The Espro toroid fits the bill perfectly.
        rofl - so if you didnt happen to have these for sale, what others might you recommend David? ;D

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        • #19
          Re: Sunbeam 6910 advice please

          The Pura milk jugs which are free to cafes using Pura....slightly too big though...1 L jugs....otherwise any 300mL stainless jug.

          Even though I have an affiliation with Veneziano...and Veneziano do sell these jugs...when I post under this username (Wushoes - David S), all opinions and comments are intended to be totally separate to those of Veneziano. If I have something to say in Veneziano Coffees behalf, I will do so under the "Veneziano Caffe" username.

          My personal view on the Espro Toroid is that it is way too good at spinning the milk with a La Marzocco...but will do an excellent job with a commercial single boiler heat exchanger machine. Take a step down in to home-barista land and you have yourself a really pricey jug that delivers on every promise on the box given some adjustment in technique. Would I buy one for home? Probably not; I would hope to god in this stage in my barista career I can make pretty decent milk. Would I recommend it to people starting out making coffee? Damn straight I would.

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          • #20
            Re: Sunbeam 6910 advice please

            It is less than half of the price of the Alessi :


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            • #21
              Re: Sunbeam 6910 advice please

              Ill stick my neck out here and say a jug is a jug is a jug.

              I have three very garden variety stainless jugs which came either free or with a very low price tag. Excellent microfoam is produced in all of them.

              A good strong jet of steam and a cylindrical jug and the rest is up to your technique

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              • #22
                Re: Sunbeam 6910 advice please

                OK, folks, as the originator of this thread, I ought to come back with a progress report.

                The machine was duly acquired a week ago, and after modding the KG100 grinder I now have coffee which is better than I have had for a while. Still need to tune up the grind/tamp as Im delivering a pour a bit quickly - about 19 seconds for a double, with the pressure needle going to about 2 oclock.

                BTW the mugs fit happily!

                Anyway, thanks for the encouragement. The real test will be over Xmas when we will have an invasion, and I am hoping to be able to get my production rate up. May be grateful for the quick pour - helps turnaround time.

                Have a good Festive Season, everyone.

                Russell

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                • #23
                  Re: Sunbeam 6910 advice please

                  The Grinder is your biggest hurdle!

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                  • #24
                    Re: Sunbeam 6910 advice please

                    Im with you there Russell " The real test will be over Xmas when we will have an invasion, and I am hoping to be able to get my production rate up"
                    .........
                    I have noticed a big speed up in steaming since doing the temp (+10) and recovery (-0.2)mod to 6910 - i think this will aid @ Xmas time!

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                    • #25
                      Re: Sunbeam 6910 advice please

                      Well, we had 17 adults here yesterday, and while not all are coffee drinkers, it all went swimmingly, until one of the family members, who has experience as a barista, and uses a 6910 and KG100 at home, decided to make coffee while I was out. He "knew" that the KG100 couldnt grind fine enough, so changed my setting, not realising that I had tweaked mine. Needless to say he had a couple of "choked" shots before he was able to produce something worth drinking. Now I am having to get back to an optimal grind, but I guess that also adds to my experience.

                      Certainly the steaming for a crowd went well, and everyone seemed to like the coffee.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Sunbeam 6910 advice please

                        Experts! :

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                        • #27
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                          Family members! :

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                          • #28
                            Re: Sunbeam 6910 advice please

                            Russell just curious.. what settings do u use on the machine.. because i find the same with my k1000, but am still not able to find the perfect coffee.

                            I havent done anything to the machine except the factory settings

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                            • #29
                              Re: Sunbeam 6910 advice please

                              Hi Padrebear

                              I tweaked the KG100 according to http://www.kwilson.fsnet.co.uk/grinder_tweaks.htm

                              Took a few tries before I could get it fine enough to "choke" the portafilter, but seems to be fairly consistent now, having backed off somewhat. One point is to note that the setting you achieve with turning the setting to "coarser" will not be the same as turning to "finer" - in other words there is slack in the adjustment and you need to be going the same direction to get more-or-less consistent results.

                              Im (IIRC) running at +4 deg on brew temperature, steam at +5 and wetness -0.2.

                              Seems it is a very individual setting for your machine/coffee/taste, but thats what I have at present. I suspect it will change with time.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Sunbeam 6910 advice please

                                The KG100 will significantly affect your ability to get good espresso from any but the most basic machines (using pressurised baskets) for two reasons (and that is why I stopped using a "tweaked" one over two years ago)...

                                The first is the flimsy construction, where the burr set is not held firmly in place and wobbles.... this becomes more of a problem after tweaking - and why Solis (who actually made the KG100) only intended it to be used for relatively coarse grinding.

                                The more important issue is that the burr set is very cheap and only has two grinding zones - a bean breaking area and a fine grinding area.

                                Any decent burrs designed to grind beans for espresso have three zones... the bean breaking, a medium grinding and then a fine grinding zone (even the Sunbeam EM0450 has these)... all the way up to the multi thousand dollar conical commercials.

                                The idea is the beans need to be reduced first to "chunks" then to small fragments and then to the final product. For best results these zones should also be as large as possible and the beans slowly migrate from one to the next - that way you produce less heat and a more even grain size at the end....

                                But with the Solis 166 AKA Delonghi KG100, the burrs have to go from beans to large chunks which they then have to try to grind into small particles of even size..... and it just doesnt work - producing lots of "fines" - like coffee dust.

                                The result of grinds with a lot of this dust is it is hard to get the correct pour.... going from a gusher to just correct in a very small area..... and then to a choked PF.....

                                The espresso is also more bitter as the small particles rapidly become over extracted - adding bitter elements to the espresso.....

                                Basically the mod isnt worth doing.... but getting a better grinder is!!! Keep the KG100 for plunger coffee... which it does excellently.... but get a real espresso capable grinder (with the correct burr set) - otherwise you wont get anywhere near the best your machine is capable of - and a lot of frustration along the way!!!

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