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  • #16
    Re: La Pavoni ERH New Toy

    Pavoniboy, Ill most likely have questions for you when/if mine arrives.

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    • #17
      Re: La Pavoni ERH New Toy

      sure is a nice machine.

      well done on the typo ;-)

      For quickly making 2 cups- there are few machines more satisfying. It is all about getting the grind right- very demanding on the particle size. You really need top change your setting with your beans. In general pretty fine and well tamped- but not too fine- it chokes easily.

      new int he Box you say? That is a 1980s model with the old style drip tray (looks cooler than the modern one IMHO).

      Surprised to hear all this talk of movement in the steam arm. I have two vintage Europiccolas and neither of them have any movement in the steam arm at all. Seems the design changed? Sounds annoying and just goes to show: older is better.

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      • #18
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        Hi Jack,

        it is the new one, it came with the plastic one as well but the brass one is nicer

        Also small update since then Custom Aluminium Bronze Tamper from Pullman  8-)

        Apart from that learning to love it but with the new tamper needs a coarser grind than with the plastic trashy supplied one.

        Shot quality is great and milk steaming is pretty darn good for a small boiler.

        Blatent repost of the Tamper Pic  :

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        • #19
          Re: La Pavoni ERH New Toy

          Originally posted by 46797A6247747C7B150 link=1241086698/15#15 date=1243255464
          Pavoniboy, Ill most likely have questions for you when/if mine arrives.
          No worries. Im going into exam period in a week, so if you dont hear from me just wait a week...I will be back once my stress subsides. Ill probably keep looking on CS anyway as a way to distract.

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          • #20
            Re: La Pavoni ERH New Toy

            Just a small update. Fully in love with the lever thing BTW 8-)

            Interesting the grind and dose is so much less forgiving than with my old Solis but once the grinder is dialled in fill the basket to a very slight dome couple of taps on the board and a good tamp with my very close fitting Pullman and the shots are coming out nice and consistantly Even the nearly choked ones still tasted yummy

            I have been playing with the Kyocera grinder about half of the time too and it has at least 3 clicks to spare and choke the Pav from whats is a good grind. More than happy to recommend these as a partner to a Pav.

            Also been playing with the temperature regulation thing. Run a little hot water from the tap or an empty shot to speed heat up of the PF or pull a single stroke without the PF fitted and run some cold water over the PF if it has been left on to long. Not an exact science by any means but seems to work.

            Milk is getting more consistant just need to work on the art now :

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            • #21
              Re: La Pavoni ERH New Toy

              Nice piece of boing beanflying!!!

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              • #22
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                I think so too 8-)

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                • #23
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                  I too have been looking at the same machine you have there, beautiful by the way.
                  I have always wanted a Pavoni lever machine , i was tempted when i was upgrading to the BZ99, but as you,everything i read led me to believe it would be a world of uphill struggle and not so good coffee until you get a handle on the thing. Is it as bad as everyone writes in terms of learning curve on these machines.
                  I am thinking of getting one after tax time.
                  The Grand Romantica takes me alot gotta love that shiny eagle at the top
                  The Lever would be for my coffee on days off when i have the time to spend on it.
                  Cheers
                  Jordan

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                  • #24
                    Re: La Pavoni ERH New Toy

                    I had one of these machines for a little while, not a blingy brass one but nice none the less (so I didnt get one of them pretty ally bronze tampers either! ). Ended up selling it, I did find it a bit frustrating but if you paid attention it certainly could give good results - just had to make sure you got the timing right.

                    Theres something pretty special and native about being that involved in the whole brewing process, and being able to vary almost untouchables like temperature, pre-infusion volume and brew pressure via very simple means.

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                    • #25
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                      Not claiming to be an expert in the slightest on Pavoni history but some of the issues with hard to use and overheating were addressed with the mellenium version. I suspect that some of the negative comment is based on heresay and chinese whispers and may also be based on the older machines.

                      The Group head is now bolted to the front of the boiler with a Teflon gasket between the two which doesnt transfer as much heat from the boiler. On older ones the Group was attached directly to the boiler, as the group was closer to boiler temp you got hot shots a lot more of the time if you didnt time it correctly. Basically the new one is more forgiving.



                      The group on the Mellenium is also 51mm not 49mm I read that this also improved the shots but I am not qualified to comment as to why So far the only shots that have been total rubbish have been caused by bad grind and bad tamping with the old plastic cruddy thing.

                      Originally posted by 7065727067627B7B7A7679170 link=1241086698/23#23 date=1244072036
                      so I didnt get one of them pretty ally bronze tampers either!
                      I do know a guy who can make you one for a price  

                      As to when you have time, the Pav will be up to temp coffee made and drinking before a lot of other machines are up to temp  

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                      • #26
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                        Im running a pre-mellenium Europiccola without the teflon gasket...so often you will see me commenting on CS that you can only get 2-3 shots before overheat (I will try to qualify that statement as pre-mellenium in future). I had read elsewhere that people were finding the teflon gasket made a minimal difference and were still overheating beyond a certain number of shots...what are post mellenium pavoni owners thoughts on this?

                        Does anyone know if this teflon gasket fits the pre-mellenium models? Mine is only just pre-mellenium - not a really old one like photo above. The group is bolted to a collar on the boiler - not directly attached like really old ones.

                        Originally posted by 7D7A7E717973667671781F0 link=1241086698/19#19 date=1244033765
                        run some cold water over the PF if it has been left on to long
                        I have heard this many times...but does not make any sense whatsoever. The water hits the grinds and preinfuses those grinds in the basket - then you start actually extracting and the water again is going directly onto the grinds - after extracting through the grinds the coffee hits the portafilter. So the coffee is already burnt if the machine is overheated before the coffee hits a cold portafilter which may cool down the coffee - but it is already burnt! Isnt it the same as burning a coffee and then leaving it to cool? It aint gonna get less burnt! (I always heat my portafilter in an attempt to conserve the same temp throughout the pour and not cool down my coffee.)

                        Having said all that...I love my europiccola. I am the only coffee drinker in my house, so usually only making one at a time and overheating is not an issue. I make great shots from it consistently. As to steep learning curves...I think it depends on how much of a hill-climber you are. Some people just cannot be bothered. Others like me love it - not too steep at all. Didnt take that long to work it all out and have great shots.

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                        • #27
                          Re: La Pavoni ERH New Toy

                          Sorry clumsey 11pm wording on my part maybe  :.

                          Run a little water to cool the PF and run a shot from the group. In my limited usage the water sitting high up in the boiler or near the group in the pipework seems to be at or near the boil if it is left on for a long time so it is akin to a cooling flush with a HX, the water during this shot bubbles as it comes out, but a second blank shot doesnt. Then providing the temp of the brew water in the boiler is correct the shot should be fine.  

                          Brew water after the first element cycle should be at the same temp and pressure as after 10 or 20 cycles but to my way of thinking it is the brass group  bits that will continue to get hotter over time.

                          Not scientific testing but then it is a simple machine Maybe time to temp log one of these

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                          • #28
                            Re: La Pavoni ERH New Toy

                            Beanflying,

                            do you know if the collar that the grouphead attaches to on the post millenium is the same collar on the pre? I am hoping to give that teflon gasket a go if it would fit. They look the same in photos...but you know the saying, deceiving it may be.

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                            • #29
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                              Not sure, most likely need to lok at the part numbers on the spare parts list or maybe look at the Orphan Espresso site. Sounds like the only difference between yours and mine wil be the Group Gasket and Basket size.

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                              • #30
                                Re: La Pavoni ERH New Toy

                                Originally posted by 7A7D79767E746171767F180 link=1241086698/24#24 date=1244074772
                                Not claiming to be an expert in the slightest on Pavoni history but some of the issues with hard to use and overheating were addressed with the mellenium version. I suspect that some of the negative comment is based on heresay and chinese whispers and may also be based on the older machines.

                                The Group head is now bolted to the front of the boiler with a Teflon gasket between the two which doesnt transfer as much heat from the boiler. On older ones the Group was attached directly to the boiler, as the group was closer to boiler temp you got hot shots a lot more of the time if you didnt time it correctly. Basically the new one is more forgiving.



                                The group on the Mellenium is also 51mm not 49mm I read that this also improved the shots but I am not qualified to comment as to why So far the only shots that have been total rubbish have been caused by bad grind and bad tamping with the old plastic cruddy thing.

                                Originally posted by 7065727067627B7B7A7679170 link=1241086698/23#23 date=1244072036
                                so I didnt get one of them pretty ally bronze tampers either!
                                I do know a guy who can make you one for a price  

                                As to when you have time, the Pav will be up to temp coffee made and drinking before a lot of other machines are up to temp  
                                Interesting to read that BF, would be interesting to try a later one and see how it goes. I guess the old model quotes are always a problem - the same thing happens with Hottops - you still get people rolling out quotes from 2003 about the original model, or product comparisons against the D from 2005 and applying it to the new programmable ones when the newer ones are an entirely different beast. Itll be encouraging if these newer Pavs are a good step up from the old ones, perhaps preaching this message is your calling in life! ;D

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