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  • #16
    Re: EM6910 Tips????

    Originally posted by 6F484E49443D0 link=1247139604/14#14 date=1247178807
    Rule #1 - Do the training.

    Rule #2 - Do the training.

    Rule #3 - DO THE TRAINING

    Its the best way to learn how to use the machine correctly  
    Yep... I think I and every one else is 100% on this one...

    Sunbeam offer it... Take it up...

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    • #17
      Re: EM6910 Tips????

      I have no problems with the single basket. Yes it did take a bit of getting use to but after a week no problems.

      The grind setting on my 0480 has to be changed regularly as the beans change with age. Also the humidity and temp play a part as well.

      Each batch of beans I get is slightly different as are the different blends or single origins. It is a matter of tuning the grinder when the result is not quite as required.
      It is half the fun searching for the best shot you can produce.

      I have not changed my temp settings as the results so far have been very good.

      Good Luck

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      • #18
        Re: EM6910 Tips????

        Thanks for all the tips guys!

        Update: Ok i went to octane coffee and got some fresh beans. I got home gave it a few shots to get the grind right and then presto!!! I got a perfect shot that looked and smelt great. Tasted better than a shop! I did the scales tip (thanks Junkie) and i think my tamping is consistant. Im going to book into the sunbeam class, i think id be silly not to. I am still using the single as i am enjoying the shots and dont see the point of wasting good coffee but ill try the double and compare the two. Watching my first good pour was awesome! I couldnt believe how good it looked! Anyway thanks for all the help guys and if you have any more tips, throw them up and ill give them a crack.

        Now my only problem is to stop making coffies tonight (ive had four in a row bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........)

        P.S. I just wanna say a special thanks to CS and all the veterans that are posting tips and giving up their time to help noobs like myself. Without you guys id still be drinking pre-ground out of my 4800.

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        • #19
          Re: EM6910 Tips????


          Originally posted by 383021273A0A3F3A363E26550 link=1247139604/17#17 date=1247211300
          Without you guys id still be drinking pre-ground out of my 4800.

          So... we saved you from a fate worse than death  [smiley=vrolijk_26.gif]

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          • #20
            Re: EM6910 Tips????

            Originally posted by 4F4756504D7D484D414951220 link=1247139604/17#17 date=1247211300
            Thanks for all the tips guys!

            Update: Ok i went to octane coffee and got some fresh beans. I got home gave it a few shots to get the grind right and then presto!!! I got a perfect shot that looked and smelt great. Tasted better than a shop! I did the scales tip (thanks Junkie) and i think my tamping is consistant. Im going to book into the sunbeam class, i think id be silly not to. I am still using the single as i am enjoying the shots and dont see the point of wasting good coffee but ill try the double and compare the two. Watching my first good pour was awesome! I couldnt believe how good it looked! Anyway thanks for all the help guys and if you have any more tips, throw them up and ill give them a crack.

            Now my only problem is to stop making coffies tonight (ive had four in a row bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........)

            P.S. I just wanna say a special thanks to CS and all the veterans that are posting tips and giving up their time to help noobs like myself. Without you guys id still be drinking pre-ground out of my 4800.

            Well, we could have had you drinking good coffee from the EM4800... Many have and plenty still do :-)

            Originally posted by 705751565B220 link=1247139604/18#18 date=1247211609
            Originally posted by 383021273A0A3F3A363E26550 link=1247139604/17#17 date=1247211300
            Without you guys id still be drinking pre-ground out of my 4800.  

            So... we saved you from a fate worse than death  [smiley=vrolijk_26.gif]

            The only issue you will now have is a nasty bug that get into the system... Problem is there is no real solution or anti vaccine that works..  And treatment can be expensive...




            UPGRADITIUS ....  ;D     :
            Enjoy the ongoing experience

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            • #21
              Re: EM6910 Tips????

              Hey gang - Ive had my EM6910R for about 2 years with a grinder and I have my espressos down pat (yum!) - but Ive never gotten the milk to micro-foam ... it stretches but I never get that creamy feel, just froth on top of hot milk.

              Im using fat-free milk most of the time (theres one issue, right?) - Ive never done a course (issue no.2, correct?) - will the Sunbeam coffee school help me get this right? Or - can I go to a proper coffee school and still get the same results?

              Thanks in advance - love your passion!

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              • #22
                Sorry for the massive thread bump, but...

                I had EXACTLY the same problem as the OP. However, I noticed that when I switched to loosely levelling it first (wiping the top with my outstretched finger to level it as much as possible), and then tamping JUST ONCE, firmly, that it works well - at least - the pressure is ok, and the time taken for the shot is about right. (I am only measuring the shots carefully at the moment - not going by sight). Maybe I was tamping too firmly for the earlier tamps though.

                In any case, I have discovered something very interesting. If I loosely level both the single and double baskets, and then measure the amount of grinds in each, I get 15g in the single, and 18g in the double. This seems very odd to me - I thought a single was supposed to be about 8g, and a double about 14g. Anyway, despite the fact that the weight of grinds in the single & double is much closer than I expected, the shots for both types still come out in the right time, using the same grind setting for each. (30ml in 20 to 30 seconds, and 60ml in the same time range). This is using grind setting 14 on an EM0480, which is smack bang in the middle of the recommended range of 12 to 16, so everything looks good so far - except for the amount of grinds, especially for the single.

                In both cases, after tamping the level is a few mm below the top, although perhaps slightly deeper for the double, which makes sense, because the double would be more compressible.

                I'm a raw beginner and haven't even started to judge taste yet. (trying to help mum with the new EM0480 I have just bought her)

                Anyone care to comment about the grind portions I'm observing?

                I am using the non-pressurised filter baskets.

                Greg.

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                • #23
                  Sounds about right there. I am in the same range and I use the Weiss Distribution Technique to get it all even and declumped and give it 2 knocks on the bench to updose a tad and then level it off with my finger. Works a charm and is ~18-19g.

                  EDIT: It is also delicious.

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                  • #24
                    Don't quote me for technical correctness. Someone will be along shortly to correct where I have insufficiently explained or erred.

                    But you can in theory vary considerably the amount of of coffee in the basket, if you adjust the grind to suit. Grind finer as you put less in. Taste will vary from yuk to nice. Best to be consistent, as it will help your results to be consistent. The single basket has been noted to be harder to master than the double.

                    There is a generalised ratio of ground coffee to liquid shot amount. This actual amount varies per machine. Go by taste. A ristretto is the first sweeter part of a shot. Adding more coffee allows this "restricted" part of the shot to be larger.

                    Not saying I have it right, but I have been using 18grams in my 6910. I have seen other posts suggesting ridgeless baskets, which are able to accept more (22grams). Keen to try when I find a supplier of the baskets.

                    I will say the best thing I did for consistency was to get scales able to measure to 0.1 grams.

                    Looking at the extra coffee used, I used to waste way more from the 0480 grinders grind retention than I did from adding a few extra grams per coffee.


                    Edit, just read the posts above, sorry for the info rehash.

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                    • #25
                      We just had a cup (shared a cup made with the single) and it was indeed very nice, although we used more milk than I would like, possibly hiding some defects.

                      But, my question still stands: why is the single about 15g, when everything I have read says it should be about 7 to 8g? Could it be that Sunbeam know that pulling a true single is quite difficult, so they have upped the dosage to be closer to a double?

                      Just on the tamping, to make myself totally clear - we were originally tamping in the manner detailed in the DVD that came with the machine. The DVD says to tamp as you fill the basket, multiple times. We were probably doing the initial tamps too firmly, resulting in an overall firmness that was too high. I was worried that the EM0480 was not good enough, but fortunately it appears to be working fine. I found a very interesting writeup of a high tech automatic grinder & tamper that was designed for Starbucks, that also tamped as it went, many times. Apparently it tamps with only 8g of pressure, because otherwise it would be too densely packed. I.e - if only one tamp at the end is performed, the density varies a lot with depth - it is highly compacted near the top, and hardly compacted at all near the bottom. Thus, a firmer force is required if only tamping once. So much to learn.

                      EDIT: I had posted before noticing your reply thegoner - thanks for the info - much appreciated.

                      Greg.

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                      • #26
                        Ah ha! Here's a thread which mentions the large dosage of the single basket: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/brewing-eq...tion-time.html

                        As I suspected, the standard single basket appears NOT to be a true single, at least not when tamping to the level recommended by the product manual. (a few mm from the rim)

                        Greg.

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