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    Hey Guys and Girls!

    Ive been reading this site for a while now trying to take in all I can. Still learning about things now.

    My gf sent me to become an accredited barista at The Sydney Coffee School as a gift a week back and it was soo much fun making my own coffee. I love my coffee but buy pre ground and have a plunger. Pulling a shot and frothing the milk was really satisfying, although my latte art was an epic FAIL. haha

    Im thinking about buying a machine and grinder this weekend and I think I want the silvia/rocky/tray combo from Jetblack Coffee as it seems to last and be really reliable from the what i have read. The only problem is Im really the only one that drinks espresso type drinks (short black, macchiato (sp?) etc) where as my gf and family all drink milk based drinks and i sometimes have extended family over which i will probably be made to make coffee for.

    Will the silvia be able to cope with making many milk based coffees? Ive heard its better to have a HX (only found out was that was today ) or a double boiler. How long do i have to wait to steam another pitcher of say, 600ml? Is there another type of machine that would be better suited to my needs for about the same price? (total of 1500 for espresso & grinder machines)

    Thanks in advance for all your help.

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    Re: Noob here - I have a lot of reading to do!

    If you can stretch a bit Id recommend getting the K3 touch. The silvia is perfectly capable of making 2 drinks at a time (total less than 600mL of milk) over that and it can become a bit of a chore.

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    • #3
      Re: Noob here - I have a lot of reading to do!

      yeah the "bit of a chore" is what im worried about. Cause I can see myself making more than two sometimes.. like perhaps every weekend. lol

      is there something else in the price range that is better suited?

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      • #4
        Re: Noob here - I have a lot of reading to do!

        Hi Nemesis, I had a Silvia and it produced great espresso but I upgraded to an HX for the ability to do several milk drinks in succession, Silvia stuggles when more than 2-4 milk drinks are required.

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        • #5
          Re: Noob here - I have a lot of reading to do!

          Is there any HXs that are good around the same price as a silvia? Most of my coffee will be milk based.

          If not, how much further do i have to stretch my budget?

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          • #6
            Re: Noob here - I have a lot of reading to do!

            seems like double boiler and HX machines are REALLY expensive and out of my price range at more than 1500 bucks. I really wanted a espresso machine $1000 or less. ($1500 all up with a grinder).

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            • #7
              Re: Noob here - I have a lot of reading to do!

              Just bought a Lelit Combi from Talk Coffee using the August special offer (have a look at their sponsor link to the left). Not sure how youll go with back-to-back milk drinks as I drink plain espresso and havent pushed this aspect on the Lelit yet but Im sure someone else can provide some first-hand feedback for you as there are plenty of Lelit lovers hanging around.

              FYI as a newby (like myself) Lelit Combi, Nemox Dell Opera, Mokita Combi are essentially all the same machine with a different badge (Imat Combi also I think) so you can look for feedback on any of these and it will all be relevant to Lelit.

              Speaking for myself, Im really happy with the machine and at $800 (for the special offer period) it allows plenty of breathing space within your $1K limit so you can grab a nice tamper if you want, or a knock box for your grinds, loads of beans to play with, etc.

              Theres also a non-sponsor site I found in my search which has an informative component comparison with some pics for different machines (e.g. Lelit, Silvia, Brevilles, Sunbeams, etc.) - do a google search on "domestic espresso machine evaluation" and you should find it OK. There is also a guide on how to make 6 cappuccinos in one go and, as it happens, the demo machine looks to me as though its a Lelit equivalent!

              Damien.

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              • #8
                Re: Noob here - I have a lot of reading to do!

                Thanks for the info.

                Just a question, ive read that you have to wait for ages and that its a chore etc etc.. but how long do you actually have to wait?

                5 minutes? 10 minutes? more? less?

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                  Re: Noob here - I have a lot of reading to do!

                  Originally posted by 37323E3A363D303F322138530 link=1250859783/6#6 date=1250920489
                  Just bought a Lelit Combi from Talk Coffee using the August special offer (have a look at their sponsor link to the left). Not sure how youll go with back-to-back milk drinks as I drink plain espresso and havent pushed this aspect on the Lelit yet but Im sure someone else can provide some first-hand feedback for you as there are plenty of Lelit lovers hanging around.

                  FYI as a newby (like myself) Lelit Combi, Nemox Dell Opera, Mokita Combi are essentially all the same machine with a different badge (Imat Combi also I think) so you can look for feedback on any of these and it will all be relevant to Lelit.

                  Speaking for myself, Im really happy with the machine and at $800 (for the special offer period) it allows plenty of breathing space within your $1K limit so you can grab a nice tamper if you want, or a knock box for your grinds, loads of beans to play with, etc.

                  Theres also a non-sponsor site I found in my search which has an informative component comparison with some pics for different machines (e.g. Lelit, Silvia, Brevilles, Sunbeams, etc.) - do a google search on "domestic espresso machine evaluation" and you should find it OK. There is also a guide on how to make 6 cappuccinos in one go and, as it happens, the demo machine looks to me as though its a Lelit equivalent!

                  Damien.
                  CC has some great articles and a good write up on a number of units..

                  A direct link can be found via these key words "some insight into exactly what goes on inside the most common brands of domestic espresso machines"

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                    Re: Noob here - I have a lot of reading to do!

                    Originally posted by 517A527A4C764C1F0 link=1250859783/7#7 date=1250921555
                    Thanks for the info.

                    Just a question, ive read that you have to wait for ages and that its a chore etc etc.. but how long do you actually have to wait?

                    5 minutes? 10 minutes? more? less?
                    Hi NeMiSiS,

                    You should be able to do a boiler refill and back to steam temperature on a Silvia in about 3 minutes or less (my best guess without actually timing it).

                    Getting a bigger double basket and good grinder (eg K3 Touch) will ensure you get two decent sized shots out of every "pull" so that you dont have to extract twice for two shots (the standard silvia basket is on the small side).

                    The HX will be faster, but only you can say whether the extra speed is worth the extra $$$

                    Happy to do the speed demo for you. We can pull out the stop watch and get a time for that changeover!

                    charlie

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                    • #11
                      Re: Noob here - I have a lot of reading to do!

                      Hi NeMeSiS,
                      Silvia is a great machine for the price and can cope with making multiple milk based coffees. However, the problem is the amount of time this will take, especially if you want to serve all the drinks up in a short time.
                      It would seem from the scenario that you outlined, that you should be aiming for a HX or double boiler machine. Unfortunately, these are up at the pointy end in the $2K+ bracket. Maybe you should wait a bit until you can afford this sort of outlay. Silvia is great for multiple espresso, long blacks etc. but not for multiple milk based drinks in short order. This is a characteristic of most single boiler machines.
                      All the best with your quest.

                      Cheers,
                      Alan

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                      • #12
                        Re: Noob here - I have a lot of reading to do!

                        Welcome NeMeSiS.... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

                        One option that might suit you, is to purchase a Nemox Fenice (just the machine, no grinder) shown here.... http://coffeemachine.com.au/nemox-fe...a9b75cbfa20647 and the best separate grinder you can afford to go with that. At least this way, if you decide down the track that you do need a machine that can deliver higher performance in the milk drink stakes, you will already have the grinder and only need to upgrade the machine. This will save some money for you, should an upgrade be inevitable...

                        All the best,
                        Mal.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Noob here - I have a lot of reading to do!

                          Thanks for all the replies guys!

                          I think im going to go to Jetblack espresso tomorrow and have a look. Long way to trek but I think itll be worth it.

                          I think Ill settle on the Silvia and K3 Touch but maybe.. just MAYBE, i can stretch my budget thinly so that i could get an Expobar Leva or something. hehe

                          When i did my barista course we were constantly pulling shots and texturing milk in quick succession but I dont think waiting 3 minutes between 2 cups of coffee is much of a pain. Ill just make my guests socialise more.. or they can donate some money to the "If you want quicker coffee, give me money for a HX" foundation. haha

                          Thanks for all your help. Ill post up what i find and decide on tomorrow morning.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Noob here - I have a lot of reading to do!


                            Im surprised nobody has mentioned the Sunbeam EM6910

                            I used a Silvia for over five years and it was a pain when I needed more than two cappas

                            When it came up for a major repair (PID) I went for the Sunbeam and was greatly impressed with its performance and shot quality. It can steam and pull a shot at the same time - no waiting for multiple milk drinks.

                            I matched it with a K3 from Jetblack and I think Charlie thought I was mad "upgrading" from Silvia to Sunbeam

                            I can only say I made the right choice and she who must be obeyed agrees ;D

                            There a lot of satisfied SB users on CS.

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                              Re: Noob here - I have a lot of reading to do!

                              Some experts will correct me if Im wrong (as I say, Im an espresso fan) but I think a practical tip is to texture as much milk as your machine will allow in one go for multiple milkies. So if you needed to make, for example, 4 caps in one go, you could aim to pull your 4 shots and then texture enough milk for the 4 caps in one hit, which I think a Silvia, Lelit or similar machine will handle OK. I dont think youd necessarily need to be waiting 3 minutes between cups, even with the smaller machines.

                              Just need to make sure your milk jug is big enough to allow the pre-textured milk plus the foam.

                              Damien.

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