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    Hi all,

    I have spent many hours reading through alot of posts on this great site and i am still undecided in my purchase. What i do know is that i like to drink coffee, can appreciate a good cup but rarely find a great cup. In an effort to find that elusive great cup i thought i would take matters into my own hands.

    My issue is that i dont want to overspend in the first instance but also want to ensure that what i buy is capable of satisfying my developing skill levels - i hope.

    Trying to keep costs under control i have come up with the following Three options and would like your thoughts especially if you have experience with any of the items;

    Rancilio Silvia (i have heard they take a long time to warm up) + Sunbeam EM0480

    Breville BES820 + Rancilio Rocky

    or

    Breville BES860 (Seems like it should be considered due to cost and bench space saving).

    Usage: Cappuccino for sure mostly weekends, however may want a traveller for the trip to work - Has to be better than the instant at the office.

    Anyway hope you can help and thanks in advance - BTW i am in western sydney

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    Re: Close to making a decision but...

    Welcome to Coffee Snobs.

    I cant answer all your questions so will help with what I can.

    The EM0480 is the minimum level of grinder.
    The Rocky is a much better grinder.

    Good coffee machines need time to warm up properly (30 min to an hour).

    Questions:
    Budget?
    How many coffees in a row will you need to make?
    All cappuccinos?

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    • #3
      Re: Close to making a decision but...

      road trip

      Di Bartoli Coffee Centre

      Jetblack Espresso

      cuppacoffee

      Sibonis Coffee

      E61 Espresso Machinery Co Ltd

      At the top two they will have them turned on for you to try
      I am not sure if the bottom 3  have them "on" but most likely
      having a go lets you get a feel for the machines and how they work, they are not going to have the sunbeams but.....

      Have you ever owned a coffee machine before?

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      • #4
        Re: Close to making a decision but...

        You could always put your machine on a timer so its nice and warm when you get up. If you buy Silvia just make sure the boiler is full after us.

        There is also an all in one Rancilio called Miss Lucy (Silvia & Rocky in one) if you want to go that way.

        Maybe consider Pre-loved if your budget it tight. There are always machines & grinder popping up in the For Sale section of this site.

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        • #5
          Re: Close to making a decision but...

          hi acam,

          If i were you i would go for the silvia. From what i have heard and read they seem to be great domestic machine. As to warm up time i cant think it would be more then 30 min. Just turn in on when you wake up then go for a shower and breakfast and you are ready to make coffee. Also all the other onces you listed are more like appliances. Rancillo is a commercial brand. Pretty easy choice i reckon. Good luck with your decision.

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          • #6
            Re: Close to making a decision but...

            In order of preference:

            1. Silvia + EM0480
            2. Lelit Combi
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            daylight
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            3. Any Breville option

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            • #7
              Re: Close to making a decision but...

              Thanks for all the replies so far. Looks like the Silvia is getting the votes.
              Just to complicate things a little can i get your thoughts on a ECM Botticelli II, there is one for sale in the FS section and is similar in price to the Silvia.

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              • #8
                Re: Close to making a decision but...

                Originally posted by 4478657E747562777F74100 link=1263251837/1#1 date=1263253644
                Questions:
                Budget?

                How many coffees in a row will you need to make?

                All cappuccinos?  
                Generally 1 or 2. Up to 4 max on occasion
                No specific budget however under 1K would be ideal
                Just one Capp at a time

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                • #9
                  Re: Close to making a decision but...

                  FYI, theres a domestic espresso machine review posted on Choice website in the last few days that includes the Breville Fresca, Sunbeam 6910 and some Silvia variants among others.

                  Choice are not exactly coffee specialists but maybe you know someone whos a subscriber so you can have a squiz for an objective viewpoint? Theyve got one on grinders as well from last year some time.

                  Personally, I chose a Lelit Combi a few months back after reviewing all the above options and have never regretted it...quality compact Italian unit with a great little grinder built in for under $900 (site sponsors can supply them - got mine from Talk Coffee).

                  Cheers & good luck.
                  Damien.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Close to making a decision but...

                    Originally posted by 5A5F53575B505D525F4C553E0 link=1263251837/8#8 date=1263299600
                    FYI, theres a domestic espresso machine review posted on Choice website in the last few days that includes the Breville Fresca, Sunbeam 6910 and some Silvia variants among others.

                    Choice are not exactly coffee specialists but maybe you know someone whos a subscriber so you can have a squiz for an objective viewpoint? Theyve got one on grinders as well from last year some time.

                    Personally, I chose a Lelit Combi a few months back after reviewing all the above options and have never regretted it...quality compact Italian unit with a great little grinder built in for under $900 (site sponsors can supply them - got mine from Talk Coffee).

                    Cheers & good luck.
                    Damien.
                    Do an advanced search on CoffeeSnobs...  Lots get posted every year.. All the same....

                    As to " so you can have a squiz for an objective viewpoint? "

                    Sorry, more like a laugh... If it does not have a retractable cord etc then ya flat out getting past first base...

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                    • #11
                      Re: Close to making a decision but...

                      Hi acam,

                      Originally posted by 77727E7A767D707F726178130 link=1263251837/8#8 date=1263299600
                      FYI, theres a domestic espresso machine review posted on Choice website in the last few days that includes the Breville Fresca, Sunbeam 6910 and some Silvia variants among others.
                      I would not suggest Choice as an information source on coffee equipment due to their (very) spotted history in this field. Their previous efforts have generated both a lot of hilarity and anger here, but not much real help.

                      Even in the best of circumstances I find it very difficult to abstract good intelligence from Choice reviews without a large amount of work in relating their criteria to mine. Many years ago when I was buying my first espresso machine they only recommended machines that met the Australian standard for coffee temperature--despite the fact that they admitted the coffee from them was crap and much too hot according to basic international information and that the best coffee came from a machine that made coffee to cool to recommend! ;D ;D ;D

                      The Silvia and Rocky are great pieces of kit in the not just a domestic appliance category. The Lelit, under all its pseudonyms, comes highly recommended in both machine only and in machine/grinder combinations. All (I suspect) will easily outlast a Breville.

                      As AM suggests, a detailed search of the site will help you finalise your needs and preferences. Then I suggest a visit to one or more of the sponsors for some actual hands-on. Sometimes the smallest things, not mentioned or glossed-over in reviews are vital to you.

                      Good luck with your search.

                      Greg

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                      • #12
                        Re: Close to making a decision but...

                        Originally posted by 2A282A264B0 link=1263251837/6#6 date=1263291315
                        Just to complicate things a little can i get your thoughts on a ECM Botticelli II, there is one for sale in the FS section and is similar in price to the Silvia.
                        Pretty similar machines the Silvia and the Botticelli. I have not seen a Botticelli in the flesh but from the photos it looks a little more refined, but couldnt say for certain. Both made from quality, commercial grade components.

                        A little more expensive than the Silvia. For that you get an extra group handle, temperature gauge and bigger boiler (400ml v 300ml).

                        The value is on par with the Silvia, which is far more popular. The Silvia probably outsells the Botticelli several-fold here in Australia. I assume this is because the Silvia is the entry level point for quality espresso machines. Also the Botticelli doesnt seem to be as widely available. If you think youre likely to upgrade later on, the Silvia would be easier to re-sell.

                        Having said that, the one in the FS section looks like pretty good buying to me.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Close to making a decision but...

                          Originally posted by 210E0705122D010E0107050D050E14600 link=1263251837/9#9 date=1263300589
                          Do an advanced search on CoffeeSnobs...Lots get posted every year.. All the same....

                          As to" so you can have a squiz for an objective viewpoint? "

                          Sorry, more like a laugh... If it does not have a retractable cord etc then ya flat out getting past first base...
                          I thought that might throw the cats in but Im just trying to help a fellow newby. But just to clarify, the thread started with "I have spent many hours reading through alot of posts on this great site and i am still undecided in my purchase".

                          Now that my retinas have recovered from all that yellow highlight, Im sorry if I offended anyones sensibilities.

                          Did I mention that I bought a Lelit Combi?...good unit.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Close to making a decision but...

                            Originally posted by 25202C28242F222D20332A410 link=1263251837/12#12 date=1263371048
                            I thought that might throw the cats in but Im just trying to help a fellow newby.
                            Its just that the reviews Choice come up with are no "real" help.

                            For a start they arent consistent with information published from machine to machine.

                            One review that got up my nose was the one that had the Silvia in it.
                            The Silvia was the top priced machine in the range theyd set for the machines. I dont recall the price range but for arguments sake lets say between $250 and $999.
                            The Silvia was bagged as "expensive". :

                            How the heck can you badmouth the thing when it falls within your own stated criteria?

                            That comment by Choice about the price of the Silvia was not "objective" but "subjective".

                            Sorry, but as a qualified auditor, used to reviewing things, it appals me to read such amateurish reviews.
                            I feel they do more harm than good.



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                            • #15
                              Re: Close to making a decision but...

                              Hello

                              We have just sold our Silvia and bought a Brev Fresca. It is only day 1 but so far so good. The Silvia is a great machine, but you cannot use it without a great grinder, we didnt have the space or warrant the extra cost.

                              A friend has the Fresca and we love it, more than the Silvia, but in saying that we got great coffee when we had just purchased our coffee and it had been freshly groung.

                              Any tips of grind settings/dual or single wall use and grind amount and where to set the dial for single and double shots for the Fresca.

                              Cheers

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