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  • #31
    Re: Breville Dual Boiler

    Seems this thread is now just as much off topic as the one it replaced ;D

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    • #32
      Re: Breville Dual Boiler

      Like a few of the others above here I failed to see any real bagging of the actual product in the other thread from those who had actually used it. There was some minor niggles raised about it that were agreed with in the main by all sides and as above from Breville some are being addressed pre release.

      This site is about discussion be it good bad or otherwise and all points of view on a product deserve to be heard. If you just want the glossy brouchure sales version then there are non forum sites you can look at.

      Looking forward to having a play with a production model when they get here

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      • #33
        Re: Breville Dual Boiler

        When this model becomes available for sale to the general market, my suggestion would be to buy one ASAP because we all know what happened to the BES400 Ikon...it was too good for the money and went poof.

        $1500 for a machine of this specification - double boilers, high-level temperature control and stability, and espresso extraction - thats an utter steal. I was seriously expecting to pay like $2000 for an outfit of this quality.

        When they come out, get one quick. You dont want to sit on your hands for too long because they might just go poof as well.

        Markets almost always have ways and means of settling inefficiencies. A machine of this caliber isnt going to be priced that low for very long. If this machine is still on the market in 2-3 years, in other words - hasnt been discontinued - you can rest assured without reservation that itll be more than $1500. Maybe $1800, or even $2000 if you like.

        You see, quality stuff doesnt stay low priced for long. Ive seen this with so many markets ranging from things like reptiles, dogs, cameras, microwaves, to fruit and vegetables and meat. When something is of too good value, its price just never ever goes down due to economy of scale. In fact, not surprisingly, the opposite happens. As more and more people recognise this machine has basically slaughtered machines that are almost twice its asking price then the demand for this machine will scale up - and so the story goes - the price scales up too

        Look at what gold has done in the past year alone. Up from 1100/oz to over 1500/oz. Why? Demand has scaled up - paper currencies just seem to pale in comparison to the durable and wealth-preserving quality of gold, so guess what? Kabooooooooom! Up goes its price!

        In a couple of years when you cant buy a BES900 for < $1800...well, lets just say I warned you.

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        • #34
          Re: Breville Dual Boiler

          I still dont see or feel a $1500 machine, seriously Id have been prepared to faun all over it had there been a sub $1200 tag with retailers doing $999 deals on it at some point, but I still just see something maid inn chinna, being less clever than your average microwave oven.

          Yeah still a downer, but seriously the way some of you talk its like you want/expect everyone to lump praise on this thing, just cause err, well, now thats a thought, why do some just expect us all to faun all over something with no proven track record, and in a current unproven price range, with as of yet no real in home use or long term torture testing?.

          Tongue in cheek just a bit, seriously you can love this thing to bits, but Im finding the digs taken at anyone with a neutral or negative comment a little hypocritical, you have to realize just being called a Breville is enough to turn off 50% of your possible market, regardless of how well it does anything in the end.

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          • #35
            Re: Breville Dual Boiler

            Originally posted by 2522292D7577777F470 link=1306475432/32#32 date=1306736629
            When this model becomes available for sale to the general market, my suggestion would be to buy one ASAP because we all know what happened to the BES400 Ikon...it was too good for the money and went poof.
            Certainly if you can foresee the future you have a rare talent perhaps it depends on if the factory they are made in can produce 2000 or 2,000,000 per month.

            Eventually if they become expensive enough sunbeam may come up with a similar machine.

            It will be interesting to see what happens but I think there will still be a market for sub $300 coffee machines.

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            • #36
              Re: Breville Dual Boiler

              Originally posted by 03040F0B53515159610 link=1306475432/32#32 date=1306736629
              When this model becomes available for sale to the general market, my suggestion would be to buy one ASAP because we all know what happened to the BES400 Ikon...it was too good for the money and went poof.

              $1500 for a machine of this specification - double boilers, high-level temperature control and stability, and espresso extraction - thats an utter steal. I was seriously expecting to pay like $2000 for an outfit of this quality.

              When they come out, get one quick. You dont want to sit on your hands for too long because they might just go poof as well.

              Markets almost always have ways and means of settling inefficiencies. A machine of this caliber isnt going to be priced that low for very long. If this machine is still on the market in 2-3 years, in other words - hasnt been discontinued - you can rest assured without reservation that itll be more than $1500. Maybe $1800, or even $2000 if you like.

              You see, quality stuff doesnt stay low priced for long. Ive seen this with so many markets ranging from things like reptiles, dogs, cameras, microwaves, to fruit and vegetables and meat. When something is of too good value, its price just never ever goes down due to economy of scale. In fact, not surprisingly, the opposite happens. As more and more people recognise this machine has basically slaughtered machines that are almost twice its asking price then the demand for this machine will scale up - and so the story goes - the price scales up too Wink

              Look at what gold has done in the past year alone. Up from 1100/oz to over 1500/oz. Why? Demand has scaled up - paper currencies just seem to pale in comparison to the durable and wealth-preserving quality of gold, so guess what? Kabooooooooom! Up goes its price!

              In a couple of years when you cant buy a BES900 for < $1800...well, lets just say I warned you.
              Hi benjamind2008. Where did you get your degree in Economics? ........."Hogwarts"???

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              • #37
                Re: Breville Dual Boiler

                Hello Bishop,

                All I can suggest is that the best bet if the machine is of interest to you is to gain some first hand experience with it.

                If it doesnt rock your boat, thats fine. If it does, thats great too. One way or another, if you have sampled the machine, you validate your opinions. Without that experience, placing a value on an unknown machine must by nature be speculative.

                I have experienced both the Dual Boiler and the 6910 and for me, there is no way Id entertain thermoblocks at any price. A single boiler machine would do my head in as well. We entertain too often. If I had only $1.5 k to play with would I have a Breville? Absolutely, as with even double the spend, Id be compromising on the feature set.

                I saved hard and I have a GS/3 on my home bench and nope I wont be swapping. I love my machine but am also realistic. I have little doubt that 50% of the value of my machine lies in the brand plates on either side of it!  :

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                • #38
                  Re: Breville Dual Boiler

                  Originally posted by 1017020D00630 link=1306475432/35#35 date=1306757035
                  Hi benjamind2008. Where did you get your degree in Economics? ........."Hogwarts"???
                  No economics degree required. Just plain old fashioned common sense.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Breville Dual Boiler

                    Originally posted by 27202B2F7775757D450 link=1306475432/37#37 date=1306840608
                    Originally posted by 1017020D00630 link=1306475432/35#35 date=1306757035
                    Hi benjamind2008. Where did you get your degree in Economics? ........."Hogwarts"???
                    No economics degree required. Just plain old fashioned common sense.
                    On the basis of that comment, I reckon you should turn him into a slug Ben....Garn, do it!  ;D

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                    • #40
                      Re: Breville Dual Boiler

                      Originally posted by 37020F083C200C05050606630 link=1306475432/36#36 date=1306757910
                      I have experienced both the Dual Boiler and the 6910 and for me, there is no way Id entertain thermoblocks at any price. A single boiler machine would do my head in as well
                      For some people $600 is a lot of money to spend on a espresso machine, and the em6910 does represent the best value machine for a large percentage of that market.  The em6910 is likely going to be responsible for creating a percentage of the market for the Breville DB, as people have developed their appreciation for coffee on the em6910 and want to upgrade. 

                      Others might find that a single boiler is the best value machine for them, and could never justify spending $1500 on a coffee machine.

                      Their is no comparison between thermoblocks/single boiler machines and dual boiler machines at twice the price.  I dont really understand what you were getting at?  (nice friendly tone in that last part)   The DB is a far superior machine.  Its kinda like sayin I will never buy a vehicle with high ks, cloth interior and standard sound system, it just doesnt compare to my new leather filled Audi with Bose sound system. 

                      There will always be a market for cheaper machines even if they are inferior.

                      As for the price of the DB going up? Im no economics expert but I think there are massive holes in that theory.  Should I rush out and buy a ute full of blu-ray DVD recorders before they stop producing them and  prices sky rocket?

                      I think the DB will be excellent value, very keenly priced and it will probably have to be.



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                      • #41
                        Re: Breville Dual Boiler

                        No argument from me ryjodal apart from...

                        Originally posted by 49747070641D0 link=1306475432/39#39 date=1306911188
                        the em6910 does represent the best value machine for a large percentage of that market.
                        The 6910 may be the best marketed coffee maker at around that price, but I think the Lelit leaves it for dead as far as quality of construction, longevity, and for its ability to make good coffee.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Breville Dual Boiler

                          Hi all, I think sunbeam will sit on its hands for a while a and see if the breville is sucessful. Free market research. If the demand is there and 6910 sales plummet I reckon sunbeam will respond and the battle will resume between the two. Either way, the more machines on the market the better IMO.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Breville Dual Boiler

                            Originally posted by 6D7B7E7E6F6D6168686B6B0E0 link=1306475432/40#40 date=1306914610
                            The 6910 may be the best marketed coffee maker at around that price .....
                            With the nearing release of the Breville DB I think we have a new category killer in the marketing of coffee machines department

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                            • #44
                              Re: Breville Dual Boiler

                              Originally posted by 505146465D58514C340 link=1306475432/41#41 date=1306917169
                              Hi all, I think sunbeam will sit on its hands for a while a and see if the breville is sucessful. Free market research. If the demand is there and 6910 sales plummet  I reckon sunbeam will respond and the battle will resume between the two. Either way, the more machines on the market the better IMO.
                              Sales on the em6910 shouldnt be affected that much because its in a different price range. Sunbeam will still have a big share of the 500-$700 market because Breville have not really gone into competition with that market but are competing with more high-end machines.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Breville Dual Boiler

                                Originally posted by 5A5B4C4C57525B463E0 link=1306475432/41#41 date=1306917169
                                sunbeam will sit on its hands for a while
                                Wasnt the BDB a 3+ year project?

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