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  • Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

    Phil
    I can tell you from experience the seal on the Breville is far superior to the Silvia. There are zero leaks on the Breville. If you can tell where where I can obtain a scarce I would appreciate it. being so far from the dealer or the Distributor makes me the on site technician. LOL
    If one s will and has the tools then it is not difficult. I maintained our commercial coffee vending machines so this is much simpler in many ways but much more sophisticated in the electronics. I am enjoying what it does and so far I have not touched a thing on the espresso machine. on the grinder I had to install the shims as indicated.
    While I would like to see a few different things in the future as I believe Breville has proved it can compete in the espresso market.
    I enjoy that people like yourself show up on these forums and not explain the whys and wherefores and take some heat. We all appreciate that you do not back down but explain the facts as they are relevant to the Breville machine and how the design philosophy is intended to be implemented.
    By the time I got to the test using the single cup double wall basket I had the machine, dose, grind and tamp working to produce consistent espresso and for my wife who likes her cappuccino the milk texturing is a piece of cake.
    I have no complaints about the Silvia except everything is sequential where as the Breville is parallel and brewing and steaming is done at the she time.
    Breville has made me and many others a believer.
    I just want to gather the tools together to prove to my personal satisfaction that it is set up as you indicate for my self.
    One thing though as we live at 668 m able sea level I would like to make a small adjustment to the steam temperature. At our altitude all our temperatures have to be adjusted from the sea level norm.
    Thanks again for you input Phil.

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    • Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

      Originally posted by 1E41594F444F434A4A4949414D422C0 link=1312978609/1499#1499 date=1331173320
      Lucky its not an iPad you have. I hear Apple is pretty cashed up and probably not for sale anyway.
      Indeed, I am working at server system architecture but I dont buy any APPLE products just because they are too pricy.

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      • Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

        Bringing the computer cult nonsense to an espresso forum is just asking for trouble. LOL
        I am certain once the Breville chain of Distributors catch up to the demand the availability of spare parts will also be made available to those who choose to do their own service work. Or those who have no option due to location.
        While I may disagree on the factory decisions for parts I must also admit their choices do work. There are no leaks or malfunctions on my machine as delivered.
        As I said I am forced to do the work due to distance the flip side is what work it is working.
        If it anint broke dont fix it!!
        We have given our Silvia to a good home who can learn from scratch how to make espresso.
        So many espresso snobs are downplaying the Breville and all I can say is we enjoy the espresso and the best micro-foam we have ever had.
        Thanks Phil

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        • Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

          do we need to keep box for warranty/service?

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          • Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

            Originally posted by 68445E59424E594F444C2B0 link=1312978609/1502#1502 date=1331183463
            Bringing the computer cult nonsense to an espresso forum is just asking for trouble. LOL
            I am sorry to say that I may do some contributions to this forums web servers. LOL.

            Originally posted by 68445E59424E594F444C2B0 link=1312978609/1502#1502 date=1331183463
            There are no leaks or malfunctions on my machine as delivered.
            You are just lucky on this. My unit came with too high OPV setting which caused high brewing pressure to burst coffee water out and then PF fell down to break a cup.
            After adjusted the OPV below 10 bar, I still need to hold the PF during extraction because it sometimes may slip and move.

            Thanks

            Nick OY

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            • Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

              Originally posted by 0A2B2020273D4E0 link=1312978609/1497#1497 date=1331167708
              Have it your own way Nick. Ive not heard of anyone apart from you who is silly enough to buy something that isnt supported in their country of abode, or of anyone who goes out and buys a brand new coffee machine, then immediately stockpiles an array of parts just in case something goes wrong.
              This is the reason I am a server system architect and you may be not. Men always need servers now and still expect the machines will break down for any reason, so taking every means to keep them running up. LOL

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              • Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

                Originally posted by 5453595155435B545D3A0 link=1312978609/1504#1504 date=1331199487
                Originally posted by 68445E59424E594F444C2B0 link=1312978609/1502#1502 date=1331183463
                There are no leaks or malfunctions on my machine as delivered.
                You are just lucky on this. My unit came with too high OPV setting which caused high brewing pressure to burst coffee water out and then PF fell down to break a cup.
                After adjusted the OPV below 10 bar, I still need to hold the PF during extraction because it sometimes may slip and move.
                im new here but i do know enough to tell you that if that is really true then you doing something wrong
                there is NO WAY that PF would come undone on its own even if you double the pressure

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                • Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

                  Hi, just to change the subject a little, Im using an bes900
                  and trying to find the right dose for an 18 gr. vst basket, I understand you can dose + or - 1 gr. so that would make 19 gr. the maximum recomended, now using the 5 cent test
                  it takes 20.5 gr. to make a faint impression on the puk with 15kg. tamp measured on scales, now the question is should I go with the recomended 19gr. for the basket or the 20.5gr. 5 cent gap, the aim being to have the correct amount of coffee in the basket to allow adjustment of other variables, sorry to be so long winded

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                  • Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

                    I have a similar issue here. I can easily get 14g in the Breville 10g single basket. Im getting 28g in a VST 24g basket - sensational coffee - its hard to see how I could use less coffee and get a correct extraction..

                    Nick - if the PF is coming off the seal is probably dirty. I also have to hold my PF when I use a blind basket to back flush but never an issue making coffee.

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                    • Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

                      I have never experienced the Portafilter coming off unless I did not tighten it up.
                      The gasket on the breville seems
                      1. Softer
                      2. tighter
                      3. less prone to leaks
                      I do run a group brush around the gasket at least once a day.
                      It does not take many coffee grounds to accumulate on the gasket to effect a leak with the pressure at extraction.
                      Cleaning or purging after a shot and again before extraction does help keep everything clean.
                      With the way the breville sits on the countertop you can reef the portafilter into position without fear of the machine moving nor damaging the gasket. The group gasket has more give than the similar italian version and provides, in my experience, a better seal with minimal risk of blowing the portafilter off the group head.
                      Nick Oy when you look at the portafilter handle in the lock position reference to the lock indicator on the goup head where is the handle
                      is it all the way over to the lock position which is just past the 90 degree point out front.

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                      • Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

                        Originally posted by 59756F68737F687E757D1A0 link=1312978609/1509#1509 date=1331248177
                        I have never experienced the Portafilter coming off unless I did not tighten it up.The gasket on the breville seems 1. Softer2. tighter3. less prone to leaks
                        Originally posted by 5E7B6C737E4D2B232C2A1A0 link=1312978609/1508#1508 date=1331238547
                        Nick - if the PF is coming off the seal is probably dirty. I also have to hold my PF when I use a blind basket to back flush but never an issue making coffee.
                        Thank you guys. I am not kind of nuts didnt know anything about checking the basic things when using a semi-automatic espresso machines. In fact, I have three semi-automatic despresso machines, so I can compare them to know whether my handling skill has problem.

                        However, definitely my skill is OK. For my BDB, no matter using blind filter or normal filter, the PF will move slightly to unlock itself sometimes when the gauge reading is higher and closed to the OPV setting point. When I hold the PF, I can fell a force is applied to the PF itself to unlock and then it starts to move slightly. At the moment, the gauge reading is falling. I need to hold the PF to counteract the force and maintain the PF position.

                        I confirmed this issue is nothing to do with the gasket cleaness, as the gasket is dam clean and I already locked the PF to the end of the location.

                        Some of you always says "never". I realy envy you but you may just not encounter the problem so far.

                        Thanks

                        Nick OY

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                        • Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

                          Originally posted by 210D17100B0710060D05620 link=1312978609/1509#1509 date=1331248177
                          you can reef the portafilter into position without fear of the machine moving
                          There should be no need to reef anything into place,  gentle pressure is all that is necessary.

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                          • Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

                            Hi,

                            I just purchased a bes 900. Yay!

                            I use a breville bcg450 grinder that has been modified to allow a finer grind.

                            I am using the double cup single walled filter, have not changed the machine defaults, and always press the 2 cup button.

                            Beans roasted 4 days ago.

                            My first 2 uses resulted in pours that lasted around 15 seconds (including the default pre-infuse time), the pressure gauge only reached about 5.

                            Next I set the grinder to its finest setting and packed the basket quite well, pour lasted 25 seconds (incl. pre-infuse), pressure reaching 8-9

                            Finally I jam packed the basket as full as I could, tamped as hard as I could, could barely get the group handle on! There was minor dripping at the back of the porta-filler and the pour went for over 60 seconds before I got worried I was breaking it and switched off the machine.
                            - pressure got to 10

                            Each coffee has tasted better than the last.



                            Questions:

                            Do I need a finer grind? Is the breville smart grinder a good bet? Other grinders?..

                            Should a double pour be longer than a single pour? How long would you expect a double to run for? (I have seen Phils amazing 34 second pour - that was for a single??)

                            Is filling the filter so full that the coffee touches the portafiller and makes the group handle super hard to put on - a bad thing?

                            Cheers, Adam.

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                            • Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

                              Originally posted by 77696C600D0 link=1312978609/1512#1512 date=1331259695
                              Questions:

                              Do I need a finer grind?  Is the breville smart grinder a good bet? Other grinders?.

                              Should a double pour be longer than a single pour?  How long would you expect a double to run for?  (I have seen Phils amazing 34 second pour - that was for a single??)

                              Is filling the filter so full that the coffee touches the portafiller and makes the group handle super hard to put on - a bad thing?
                              Congrats on your new toy.

                              You should aim for pour time around 30sec total.
                              First drops appearing around 6-8 secs (not sure about how pre-infusion changes time.).
                              Volume changes with different basket size not time of pour. Double = 60 ml, single = 30 ml.
                              your 2nd effort sounds right-ish.

                              Read up on 5cent test and/or rice test to check up on dosing.
                              If you get a 30sec pour when you pass the 5cent/rice test then your grind is okay.

                              I used a modded BCG450 for a few months before changing to a BCG800. Its better by far but can have issues  too. You might have got a better deal if buying the two together. For the price many of us think it hard to  beat the BCG800.

                              It should be easy to lock in the portafilter and if your pour is taking 60sec and the pf is leaking then you are overfilling. Not certain but Im sure seals etc wil end up needing early replacement with prolonged overdosing to this extent.

                              Just remember that pour times and volumes can vary a little bit and still produce a good cup.  Some people will deliberately do longer or shorter  pours and aim for ristretto and lungo volumes because thats the style they prefer to drink.

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                              • Re: Breville BES900 Dual Boiler - Owners thread

                                First drops should be at 10-14 seconds actually...

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