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  • #16
    Re: Baby BES900 in the works? BES840

    aw, cmon, surely thats just a way of making it sound like something different when its really the same thing?!

    So, please explain the "thermo coil"? Is it a single-boiler with coil? No, surely that would be a HX...

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    • #17
      Re: Baby BES900 in the works? BES840

      Originally posted by 6D636B6E6967687470000 link=1323740977/14#14 date=1329960519
      Originally posted by 7B737B7C7670120 link=1323740977/11#11 date=1329953179
      Do I get a prize?
      If youd said "thermo-coil" then maybe 

      Cheers, Phil
      I guess the so called "thermal-coil" differs from the thermal block by surrounding strip alike thermal heater onto the stainless pipe goes to the brew head.

      Thanks

      Nick OY

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      • #18
        Re: Baby BES900 in the works? BES840

        Once more in English please?! "Surrounding a strip-like thermal heater onto the stainless pipe before it goes to the brew head"? Isnt a thermoblock a heater surrounding a coiled pipe before it goes to the brew head? Still not sure of the difference.

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        • #19
          Re: Baby BES900 in the works? BES840

          Originally posted by 343A3237303E312D29590 link=1323740977/10#10 date=1329950558
          Originally posted by 644D4257230 link=1323740977/9#9 date=1329949993
          That really does look like a baby dual boiler. Doesnt say whether its got a boiler or thermoblock though. I might hold off my purchase of a DB to see what this is like.
          Buy a 900 when you see one in store as they are continually on back order with us! The BES840 is NOT a boiler..... its a PID controlled thermo-coil.

          Cheers, Phil
          Definitely BES900 is a very powerful and good machine. I did find some minor drawbacks in OPV hose fixture and fixed it with bond tie to get very stable and consistent brewing pressure. The components used in BES900 may have concerns to last for 10 years or so as other high-end HX or DB machines and may not be easy for renew when it breaks down. However, lets see how long it can go...

          As for BES840, if it has BES840XL for US market, I may buy one.

          Thanks

          Nick OY

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          • #20
            Re: Baby BES900 in the works? BES840

            Nick, if you could get your money back for the BES900, would you?

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            • #21
              Re: Baby BES900 in the works? BES840

              Originally posted by 343C3433393F5D0 link=1323740977/17#17 date=1329968330
              Once more in English please?!  "Surrounding a strip-like thermal heater onto the stainless pipe before it goes to the brew head"?  Isnt a thermoblock a heater surrounding a coiled pipe before it goes to the brew head? Still not sure of the difference.
              You are right. I am sorry that "English" is not my mother tongue.  Is a thermalblock mass piece? I guess the thermal coils heater is not that type.

              Hope you can feel better about my explanation.

              Regards,

              Nick OY

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              • #22
                Re: Baby BES900 in the works? BES840

                Originally posted by 2221292F282C20283F7F4D0 link=1323740977/19#19 date=1329969313
                Nick, if you could get your money back for the BES900, would you?
                No. I paid for it and enjoyed using it. I dont think I have the right to get my money back for the BES900 after I had used it. BES900 is not perfect as those machines over USD2500 but it is OK to compete with them for the brewing quality but not the build quality.

                Thanks

                Nick OY

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                • #23
                  Re: Baby BES900 in the works? BES840

                  ah, sorry Nick, I thougt you had succumbed to the "txt-ing" syndrome, which I find hard to overlook, however I hope you find my acceptance of ESL speakers is second to none, just as Id like to be treated if I was in a non-English-language-native country

                  I see what you mean by "block" vs "coil" but I wonder how efficient a coil (like an old stovetop coil) would be given so much surface area would leak heat to the surroundings... well soon see no doubt!

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                  • #24
                    Re: Baby BES900 in the works? BES840

                    Possibility of the thermocoil being a multi-level thermoblock? enables better control of the heating of the water as theres more surface area within a given radius?

                    Or failing that, water pipe around the outside of the heat source, which gives a better response to heat-up/cool down systems. if this is a PID, Id imagine that you wouldnt need much in the way of mass for heat-control

                    However, Im curious as to whether the BES840 would have some sort of external adjustment for the temperature. or is it set internally at the factory? The picture certainly doesnt suggest anything like it available, which is a pity, as the adjustable pre-infusion and temps are the two things that make the BES900 seem so impressively good

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                    • #25
                      Re: Baby BES900 in the works? BES840

                      Nick, assuming Breville was happy to give you your money back because you are unhappy with your purchase. Would you take them up on it?

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                      • #26
                        Re: Baby BES900 in the works? BES840

                        Originally posted by 2C01150708090E07211426011405600 link=1323740977/23#23 date=1329970129
                        Possibility of the thermocoil being a multi-level thermoblock? enables better control of the heating of the water as theres more surface area within a given radius?

                        Or failing that, water pipe around the outside of the heat source, which gives a better response to heat-up/cool down systems. if this is a PID, Id imagine that you wouldnt need much in the way of mass for heat-control

                        However, Im curious as to whether the BES840 would have some sort of external adjustment for the temperature. or is it set internally at the factory? The picture certainly doesnt suggest anything like it available, which is a pity, as the adjustable pre-infusion and temps are the two things that make the BES900 seem so impressively good
                        Did you see in the picture the BES840 consumes 1700W ? How would that be so high? It appears to me that has to be so to increase the agilibility of PID thermal control to maintain the brewing temp. not going down too much during the extraction.

                        Thanks

                        Nick OY

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                        • #27
                          Re: Baby BES900 in the works? BES840

                          Originally posted by 7F78727A7E68707F76110 link=1323740977/25#25 date=1329973603
                          Did you see in the picture the BES840 consumes 1700W ? How would that be so high?
                          Ahh- easily explained Nick. Breville has included an ingenious device within the plug of the machine. The machine requires just 200W and the other 1500W are sucked back down out of the machine though the plug and back to the Breville mastership.

                          Phil McNight (aka Dr Evil II) then uses the proceeds of the sale of all of this consumer donated excess power to fund his lavish lifestyle and to have his henchmen deal with critics .  ;D

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                          • #28
                            Re: Baby BES900 in the works? BES840

                            Originally posted by 797E747C786E767970170 link=1323740977/25#25 date=1329973603
                            How would that be so high?
                            Faster warm up time perhaps? Better cold-start-steaming? who knows. At least its under 10A.

                            Now, I wonder if they do the DC rectifier control of the motor to get preinfusion?

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                            • #29
                              Re: Baby BES900 in the works? BES840

                              Originally posted by 712E36202B202C252526262E222D430 link=1323740977/26#26 date=1329974801
                              Phil McNight (aka Dr Evil II) then uses the proceeds of the sale of all of this consumer donated excess power to fund his lavish lifestyle and to have his henchmen deal with critics .
                              Critics from customers and users are always valuable to the manufacturers. I would not like to make joke at the person like Phil who actively responds to the users directly.

                              Thanks

                              Nick OY

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                              • #30
                                Re: Baby BES900 in the works? BES840

                                Originally posted by 2320282E292D21293E7E4C0 link=1323740977/24#24 date=1329970445
                                Nick, assuming Breville was happy to give you your money back because you are unhappy with your purchase. Would you take them up on it?
                                I was unhappy with the original OPV setting of my unit but now I am satisfied with the machine after adjusting the OPV by myself.

                                I dont know why Breville wants to return my money and get back my machine so your assumption is not reasonable.

                                Looks like you are more oppsoite to Breville. Of course, this is definitely a joke.

                                Thanks

                                Nick OY

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