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  • #31
    Re: Lelit PL41TEMD vs Breville BES900 or perhaps something else

    Originally posted by 5F51585359080F3D0 link=1333027508/29#29 date=1333446781
    Very true , however, i suspect most vendors of these products would have similat stock, distribution, service , costs to cover
    To an extent, but larger o/s suppliers may well have more stable (more predicable) demand (and definitely shorter re-supply times), meaning they can keep lower stock levels, and therefore lower costs of financing working capital. That said, I dont think theres anything wrong with asking a general question about relative prices.

    If Aust coffee hardware retailers were actually carving out super normal profits on imported gear, theres nothing stopping some budding local entrepreneur with a bit of cash behind them and an appetite for risk from competing and driving margins down. Its not as if they are up against Rupert Murdoch.

    BTW I have no vested interest in this debate (in either direction).
    Cheers
    BOSW

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    • #32
      Re: Lelit PL41TEMD vs Breville BES900 or perhaps something else

      Originally posted by 2F21282329787F4D0 link=1333027508/29#29 date=1333446781
      Quote:
      .. Either buy direct online or overseas, or buy local, but dont ask a retailer to justify their prices. Its none of your business.

      I didnt ask.. i was replying to charlies explanation of the price differential to another poster .
      Originally posted by 2F21282329787F4D0 link=1333027508/22#22 date=1333428253
      doesnt really explain the AU$ 400+ price differential !
      If that wasnt a question or challenge to explain the differential then I stand corrected.

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      • #33
        Re: Lelit PL41TEMD vs Breville BES900 or perhaps something else

        ..doesnt really explain the AU$ 400+ price differential !
          that is neither a question or a challenge.  It is a statement. !

        if you read the whole post, i actually went on to say that i felt the major cost difference originated at Lelit, rather than anything charlie controls.
        Dont take offense, i am sure you are not living the high life off these machines, also i am not surprised at the difference,.......
        .......  it would appear its actually you who is being shafted by Lelit compared to the deals they give others ?

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        • #34
          Re: Lelit PL41TEMD vs Breville BES900 or perhaps something else

          Originally posted by 3D333A313B6A6D5F0 link=1333027508/32#32 date=1333453819
          i actually went on to say that i felt the major cost difference originated at Lelit
          And I presume that "feeling" is based on first hand experience with Lelit no doubt? Visit Coles or Woolies and buy a can and then a whole slab. Add 15k km and then join the dots to achieve rudimentary grasp of topic of conversation.

          We see this every few weeks. Newb "eggspurt" arrives  to dig up the carcass of an old thread whilst displaying fundamental lack of understanding and then disappears. Ultimately, its chest beating, finger pointing and a whole lot of hot air. When viewed in the mirror, only another llort ... :

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          • #35
            Re: Lelit PL41TEMD vs Breville BES900 or perhaps something else

            Originally posted by 376870666D666A6363606068646B050 link=1333027508/33#33 date=1333455639
            Originally posted by 3D333A313B6A6D5F0 link=1333027508/32#32 date=1333453819
            i actually went on to say that i felt the major cost difference originated at Lelit
            And I presume that "feeling" is based on first hand experience with Lelit no doubt? Visit Coles or Woolies and buy a can and then a whole slab. Add 15k km and then join the dots to achieve rudimentary grasp of topic of conversation.

            We see this every few weeks. Newb "eggspurt" arrives  to dig up the carcass of an old thread whilst displaying fundamental lack of understanding and then disappears. Ultimately, its chest beating, finger pointing and a whole lot of hot air. When viewed in the mirror, only another llort ... :

            sorry, but even Google "translate " was stumped by that mix of words !

            What is this "old thread" reference ?

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            • #36
              Re: Lelit PL41TEMD vs Breville BES900 or perhaps something else

              Originally posted by 656B6269633235070 link=1333027508/34#34 date=1333491479
                sorry, but even Google "translate " was stumped by that mix of words  !

              What is this "old thread" reference ?
              Youll have to view the words LLORT in the mirror (just translating...dont shoot the messenger).  The reference to "old thread" as in ancient forum threads where topics were already discussed and resolved...that one I guess was a generalisation of overly zealous new comers to the forum who typically resurrect these "old thread" to flex their coffee knowledge which sometimes are a little under-researched...again I have not been following this thread but am just "translating" 

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              • #37
                Re: Lelit PL41TEMD vs Breville BES900 or perhaps something else

                Yes , i understood the llort crack , but have no idea what the resurrection of old thread was refering to...or the cans from Woolies ??
                This thread is only a few days old , I was the second poster and i dont have the time luxury of background reading every topic or comment to ensure i am not repeating a discussion in other threads.
                The smart thing for someone to have done would be to provide a link to the previous discussion, rather than assume we sit around waiting for opportunities to "llort" .

                Obviously international pricing is a sensitive subject as it is with many products in Au, but i just dont understand why retailers are not open about the real reasons for pricing differences...?

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                • #38
                  Re: Lelit PL41TEMD vs Breville BES900 or perhaps something else

                  i dont think you can go wrong with the BES900. To suggest the BES900 is only an appliance insinuating that its unfit for its purpose and inferior against other priced machines is false.

                  Breville are an appliance manufactering company so they build and sell appliances. Across the board they build appliances of different standards and quality and this is reflected in the price.
                  There experience in producing an array of appliances gives them an edge as they can bring experience and knowledge from other appliances into this device VS a company who only specalises in 1 device. As in materials to use etc etc.

                  I can appriciate peoples view that a specialised coffee manufactering company would have a greater appriciation for a coffee machine vs one that builds a vast array, but that being said i dont think its true to suggest the quality or output of the device is less in quality based on that assumption.

                  Take Toyota for example, would you say all Lexuss are worse in quality/comfort/performance vs a BMW or Mercedes based on the fact that same company builds Corollas, Yaris and Camrys, which when it comes to cars are very mass produced and have that generic feel.. Of course not a Lexus still has the quality and prestiege of its rivals.

                  The same applies here, just because Breville make other products, does not suggest there flagship espresso machine is of lesser quality.

                  I could be biased because i have a BES900, but the reason i bought the BES900 vs others listed is for that reason, i feel that for the price it was the best value and produced the best coffee for my budget.

                  If you argue that the BES900 doesnt make a good coffee because you dont like it, then thats fine thats a personal oppion, but to suggest its build quality is inferior or longevity is lesser than others purely based on other products a company builds then im sorry but thats no arguement at all.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Lelit PL41TEMD vs Breville BES900 or perhaps something else

                    Originally posted by 724E4F54524343481715260 link=1333027508/37#37 date=1333506788
                    i dont think you can go wrong with the BES900. To suggest the BES900 is only an appliance insinuating that its unfit for its purpose and inferior against other priced machines is false.

                    Breville are an appliance manufactering company so they build and sell appliances. Across the board they build appliances of different standards and quality and this is reflected in the price.
                    There experience in producing an array of appliances gives them an edge as they can bring experience and knowledge from other appliances into this device VS a company who only specalises in 1 device. As in materials to use etc etc.

                    I can appriciate peoples view that a specialised coffee manufactering company would have a greater appriciation for a coffee machine vs one that builds a vast array, but that being said i dont think its true to suggest the quality or output of the device is less in quality based on that assumption.

                    Take Toyota for example, would you say all Lexuss are worse in quality/comfort/performance vs a BMW or Mercedes based on the fact that same company builds Corollas, Yaris and Camrys, which when it comes to cars are very mass produced and have that generic feel.. Of course not a Lexus still has the quality and prestiege of its rivals.

                    The same applies here, just because Breville make other products, does not suggest there flagship espresso machine is of lesser quality.

                    I could be biased because i have a BES900, but the reason i bought the BES900 vs others listed is for that reason, i feel that for the price it was the best value and produced the best coffee for my budget.

                    If you argue that the BES900 doesnt make a good coffee because you dont like it, then thats fine thats a personal oppion, but to suggest its build quality is inferior or longevity is lesser than others purely based on other products a company builds then im sorry but thats no arguement at all.
                    I dont think that anyone is saying that the breville is a bad product or even inferior. What is being said is that we need to be careful not to exclude shopping in a place trying to provide something a little more exclusive just because they may not be the cheapest. Otherwise we wont have anything like the BMWs or even something better to compare our Toyotas against , as there wont be a shop that can afford to sell them.

                    PS my first decent machine was a Breville and its still going after 8 years or so. Also how does a shop that is lucky to sell 2 bes900s a week compete on buying power with a company that buys hundreds? Im all for, getting a good price but at what cost is the question?

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                    • #40
                      Re: Lelit PL41TEMD vs Breville BES900 or perhaps something else

                      at the cost of best value. At the end of the day everyone wants a bargain. Its unfortunate when the "under dog" cant compete with the big sellers, but thats how we all want it. We live in a society that promotes and tries to achieve perfect competition.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Lelit PL41TEMD vs Breville BES900 or perhaps something else

                        Originally posted by 340809121405050E5153600 link=1333027508/39#39 date=1333521135
                        at the cost of best value. At the end of the day everyone wants a bargain. Its unfortunate when the "under dog" cant compete with the big sellers, but thats how we all want it. We live in a society that promotes and tries to achieve perfect competition.
                        Maybe, but all firms (potentially) sell more than just the physical product.. Smaller specialised retailers do compete in selected markets.....particularly where after-sales service / advice etc have considerable value. Not every good sold is a commodity. If youre buying a can of coke you dont need to think too hard about where you buy it.

                        Best value to me means best value for the whole package....the physical good and the service/advice that help you use it / fix it if something goes wrong. Consumers will differ in the weight they apply to these factors, and the extent to which the service side matters for different products. Im more than happy to buy a fridge at the large retailers, and have bought an auto coffee machine from one of them before...but wouldnt buy a medium-high end machine from them unless the price difference was totally ridiculous. Not because I hold any animosity towards them...simply because the value you get from some goods is more likely to depend on having someone with specialised skills at the other end of the deal.

                        Cheers
                        BOSW

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                        • #42
                          Re: Lelit PL41TEMD vs Breville BES900 or perhaps something else

                          Originally posted by 656B6269633235070 link=1333027508/36#36 date=1333501879
                          but i just dont understand why retailers are not open about the real reasons for pricing differences...?
                          Pointless to do so. An earlier post informed you of the reasons. You chose to ignore them.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Lelit PL41TEMD vs Breville BES900 or perhaps something else

                            There are many reasons, Some sales people just make up BS on the spot.
                            Othertimes they perfer not to disclose this information.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Lelit PL41TEMD vs Breville BES900 or perhaps something else

                              Originally posted by 673820363D363A3333303038343B550 link=1333027508/41#41 date=1333524551
                              Originally posted by 656B6269633235070 link=1333027508/36#36 date=1333501879
                              but i just dont understand why retailers are not open about the real reasons for pricing differences...?
                              Pointless to do so. An earlier post informed you of the reasons. You chose to ignore them.
                              Not ignored,..just not the full story.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Lelit PL41TEMD vs Breville BES900 or perhaps something else

                                Originally posted by 222C252E247572400 link=1333027508/43#43 date=1333544669
                                Not ignored,..just not the full story.
                                OK. Implicit in your statement above is that you know the full story (and it was also implicit in your early post where you talked about the real reasons). Which part of the full story is not being disclosed?

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