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  • #16
    hmm, don't know why it won't unlink...sorry

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    • #17
      Is having the pressure gauge a really good thing for the novice user? Without one, how will I know if I'm getting it right?

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      • #18
        Thanks, but now I'm more confused than ever....

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        • #19
          Much is made of the difficulty of using single boiler machines. Some (most) of it is misinformation.

          When unmodified, many require a cooling flush. It's simple. Let the machine come to top of temperature cycle and then operate the group until you you no longer hear steam. Lo and behold, you're then at optimum temperature to lock and shoot.

          A PID removes the cooling flush and the need to use your ears, but will not miraculously produce better coffee. When used by a skilled operator, PID or no PID really makes little, if any difference.

          The biggie with single boiler machines is learning to boiler prime and realising that they are good for 2-4 cups. Beyond that, you should sit on your hands, save a little more and look to a more convenient (pricier) option.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by 13bob View Post
            Hi Hildy, what is gronking? Sorry for the question.
            Basically , a digital temperature display.
            But much simpler and cheaper now with the cheap digi thermometers available like these for $2 delivered !
            Digital LCD Probe Fridge Freezer Thermometer Thermograph for Refrigerator 110

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            • #21
              Originally posted by 13bob View Post
              Thanks, but now I'm more confused than ever....
              Morning Bob, unless your a bit of a geek and like fiddling forget about PID's etc, totally unnecessary.
              The majority of Silvia owners (myself included) manage to make excellent coffee without the aid of a PID or similar, get to know the machine in it's standard out of the box form and all will be well.

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              • #22
                Thanks for the advice guys. If most of you sat the PID and pressure gauge is not really necessary then that's good enough for me. Looks like I will be shopping for a Sylvia as soon as my Breville sells.

                Cheers.

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                • #23
                  Re: Rancilio Sylvia vs Lelit PL41TEMD

                  I was in the same position a few years ago and in the end I ended with a Silvia and a k3t. I'm glad I did because on my next upgrade I know my grinder is up to scratch.

                  I used my Silvia with and without pid. Its not rocket science to temp surf. Installing a pid made things a bit more convenient but coffee tasted more or less the same.

                  Your biggest concern is how much milk drinks you plan to make at once. 2 is fine but more than that it gets annoying.

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                  • #24
                    I was in the same boat as you recently and ended up getting a Lelit PL41LEM. Basically the same as a PL41TEMD but without a PID. Cost a bit more than a Sylvia but nowhere near double. I was umming and aahing and doing research and decided on the Lelit for a couple of reasons:

                    Apparently it's a bit more forgiving
                    Basket where you put the coffee in is apparently a bit better shaped
                    Completely stainless steel so wont rust
                    Slightly smaller and nicer looking

                    I got a heavy tamper with it, which I think this is a must for whatever machine you get.

                    Other than that I think they're much of a muchness.

                    Now that was less than two weeks ago. Lets just say I can use it without reading the manual, but compared to my usual daily Large FW from Campos near my work - I've got a while to go before I get there...Hoping I do!

                    My coffee's can be a bit hit and miss. Mostly hit though which is good. Sometimes the shot comes out within 10 seconds. Sometimes there's not even a drip for 10 seconds and then eventually it very slowly starts dripping out. I think maybe my biggest problem is my grinder - See I already had a Sunbeam Em048 and I plan to upgrade it one day when funds permit, but not in the near future so I'll stick with it for now.

                    Then again, I dont really know what I'm doing if I'm grinding too fine? Grinding too course? tamping down with too much pressure? I'm having fun learning though...

                    Cheers

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                    • #25
                      Lelit PL41LEM appears to have a 250ml boiler whereas the Silvia a 300ml boiler. Both are brass. That equates to a 20% larger boiler capacity on the Silvia. I imagine this would give a longer duration of steam if starting with a full boiler on both and possibly slightly better temperature stability (depending on boiler wall thickness etc).

                      The Lelit PL41LEM being completely Stainless Steel is a very nice feature. Rancilio should have done this with the Silvia after all this time.

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                      • #26
                        We also do the PL plus- 600ml boiler

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