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  • #16
    Originally posted by Emille View Post
    Haha yes, indeed that is not what I want.

    I quite like the look of the VBM Domobar Junior and the Expobar Minore IV.

    Opinions?
    Similar machines. The VBM has superior steam performance, better finish and a commercial pressurestat. It retails at around the same price as the Expobar.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Emille View Post

      Opinions?
      my newbie opinion? ....sexy....

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      • #18
        Like i have mentioned I have the Expobar Minore which I love, so I may sound one sided. However after buying mine I had a good look and read about the VBM and thought should i have bought it? I may now never know but i know i am happy with what i got.

        Chris

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        • #19
          You won't be able to taste the difference between 2 hx machines in your price range so just get the one which is most practical, looks good and is a good price. You'll probably end up upgrading in a years time anyway. I'd spend more time researching your grinder.

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          • #20
            As for Grinders, I think there is little choice, Mazzer Mini seems to be the way to go.
            I know I can get a doser one for around $700, but the electronic direct grind is about $500 dearer.

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            • #21
              You might also consider a Compak k3 Push, much cheaper that Mazzer Mini, and it's arguable how much you'd taste the difference (partic. if you drink your coffee with milk).

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Wynton87 View Post
                You'll probably end up upgrading in a years time anyway......
                I'd debate that. My instincts tell me that the majority here with HX machines purchase them with the intention of far longer than a year and that in general, they do hold onto them.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
                  I'd debate that. My instincts tell me that the majority here with HX machines purchase them with the intention of far longer than a year and that in general, they do hold onto them.

                  I must agree with you there Chris i dont intend on upgrading soon. Mind you i would like a la marzocco g3.....

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Emille View Post
                    Haha, Dragunov, "she" is not a she, I am a he!

                    I am slowly changing my mind, the lever machines look a lot easier.
                    Temp surfing is something I really do not want to do.

                    Grinder is a separate budget.. i think 5-700 for a grinder should be fair.
                    That'll teach me to post without my glasses (pretty goddamn embarrassing at 23 but what can you do?)

                    When you say lever, do you mean levers instead of switches or an actual lever (full-manual) machine?

                    I'm struggling to see the difference between levers and switches myself but it's your choice lol...

                    With your budget and a separate wad for a grinder temp-surfing isn't something you need to worry about.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Dragunov21 View Post
                      That'll teach me to post without my glasses (pretty goddamn embarrassing at 23 but what can you do?)
                      That shaving story suggests that you're not an easy bloke to embarrass.

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                      • #26
                        i would agree with Chris also, i had my machine for 6 years or so before upgrading to a dual boiler machine.
                        These machines are not cheap and are a major purchase for the majority of people but they repay their owners every time a coffee is made

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
                          That shaving story suggests that you're not an easy bloke to embarrass.
                          Could I distract you with a tale of a classmate who was trimming his short and curlies in RE and snipped his nadgers?

                          I guarantee it's more worthy of remembering >.<

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                          • #28
                            Absolutely, I do not want to have to upgrade in a year, 3-4 years at a minimum.
                            As for the difference between levers and switches (and I don't mean a lever machine!), switches were not really the issue with the Nemox. The Nemox was a single boiler. So do pull a shot, you flicked a switch and then your shot was brewed, then you flicked it off again, when you wanted steam, you had to flick another switch which then raised the temperature of the boiler to steam. Once it was ready, you had to purge the wand and then you could steam. When you wanted to make another shot, you had to turn off the steam, purcge again and wait for the temperature to stabilise. It was just so painful!

                            Basically I want a machines, where I can pull a shot and then start steaming immediately without having to wait for it to heat up and pull a shot without having to wait for it to cool down. and not flick a switch a million times in between.

                            Flicking a leaver to start a brew and then flicking it again to stop is not a worry. As for the difference, the lever just seems more cool!

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
                              I suspect you might be looking for simultaneous steam and shot? You don't have to have a dual boiler machine for this as HX machines do this as well. There are many heat exchanger (HX) machines which will also suit and will be within budget.
                              The Lelit PL60T Dual Boiler slots into your price range at around $1600 - Lelit P60T V2 | Talk Coffee

                              Surprised this wasn't included in your recommendations Chris?

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                              • #30
                                Hi CafeLotta,

                                The Lelit Machine's look scarily like the Nemox machines.. Especially the one with the inbuilt grinder.

                                With a bit of research, I found they basically are the same machine.. Obviously with a dual boiler.
                                Last edited by Emille; 6 June 2013, 02:41 PM.

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