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  • #31
    Chris @ Talk.

    Just wondering, I quite like the look of the Vibiemme Domobar Junior. However, it is strange that I cant seem to confirm if it has an E-61 group head. All of the other Vibiemme Machines state it has an E-61 but the Junior says it is simply a "Vibiemme Patented" group head.

    After reading about the E-61, it sounds like it will really make a difference.

    As for Grinders, I want a Mazzer Mini, however, is it worth the $500 difference for the electronic version?

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    • #32
      Hello Emille,

      All VBM are e-61 so no probs there.

      Grinders: A timer will not buy you a better grind quality, but the good timers do dose pretty consistently- which can be an issue for those starting out. A little practice and you will be able to use a doser well.

      FWIW, I prefer the Macap M4D over the Mazzer as it's over 2x as quick for the same price. Call it bang for buck if you wish.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Emille View Post
        Hi CafeLotta,

        The Lelit Machine's look scarily like the Nemox machines.. Especially the one with the inbuilt grinder.

        With a bit of research, I found they basically are the same machine.. Obviously with a dual boiler.

        The Lelit PL60T V2 was given a glowing recommendation by Chris recently as per the link below. Don't know if anything has changed since then?

        http://coffeesnobs.com.au/brewing-eq...-pl60t-v2.html

        Not sure if you're aware that E-61 machines have a recommended 30 minute warm-up time which needs to be taken into account when deciding on which machine suits your needs.

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        • #34
          Emille it seams you are basing your choices on things 'looking cool' which won't matter once you get fussy about getting nice tasting shot. What do you hope to get from an e-61 group? If its stable temp then you would be better off with the Lelit pl60t v2 as it has a pid controller. Also don't get caught up in the hype of a mini mazzer, you would be paying for looks again. Research the mahlkonig vario if you want something better than a mini mazzer. Also stay away from manual dosers in the home environment unless you love cleaning up mess and having stale grinds mixing with your fresh grinds.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Emille View Post
            Hi CafeLotta,

            The Lelit Machine's look scarily like the Nemox machines.. Especially the one with the inbuilt grinder.

            With a bit of research, I found they basically are the same machine.. Obviously with a dual boiler.
            Some models of the Lelit and Nemox look similar. Some of the older models even had some parts that were interchangeable (which is fortunate for Nemox owners because we keep our Lelit parts pretty well stocked ;-). But the brands are made by two separate companies with separate production facilities, and the newer models released by Lelit in the last few years have no Nemox "look-alikes". The PL60T V2 is one such model.

            charlie
            Last edited by JetBlack_Espresso; 7 June 2013, 12:18 PM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by CafeLotta View Post
              The Lelit PL60T V2 was given a glowing recommendation by Chris recently as per the link below. Don't know if anything has changed since then?
              Nothing has changed at all CL,

              I highly recommend the machine. I didn't feel it fitted the OP's brief quite as well as the others, so I didn't mentions it. Regardless, it's a very worthy addition to the shortlist.

              Chris

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Wynton87 View Post
                Emille it seams you are basing your choices on things 'looking cool' which won't matter once you get fussy about getting nice tasting shot. What do you hope to get from an e-61 group? If its stable temp then you would be better off with the Lelit pl60t v2 as it has a pid controller. Also don't get caught up in the hype of a mini mazzer, you would be paying for looks again. Research the mahlkonig vario if you want something better than a mini mazzer. Also stay away from manual dosers in the home environment unless you love cleaning up mess and having stale grinds mixing with your fresh grinds.
                What would make you say that?

                Yes - I want a machine that looks good. However, I am more concerned about the function.
                When I say I like the look of something, I mean I also like it functionally.

                I researched the E-61 group head and I particularly like the features, i.e. passive pre-infusion. And yes, it is aesthetically pleasing.

                I had not discounted the Lelit at this stage, but as I did not like the functionality of my old Nemox Dell Opera and the build, I did not want another machine that was essentially the same just with a different badge on it. Now that I have had some clarification that it is not just a re badged Nemox, I will look into it a bit further.

                At the end of the day - I want a machine that I will use - if I buy something that I don't use because it is painful (like the Nemox Dell Opera), then it is a waste of money. Likewise, if I buy something that does not suit the decor in my house, it is just as much of a waste of money.

                I am certainly open to suggestions on other grinders, but I was in favour of the Mazzers, not because of their look, but because I have never heard a bad word about them. also I often speak to cafe owners and Baristas and they always recommend Mazzer.

                So in short, I am basing my decisions on functionality, recommendations and aesthetics.

                Emille

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                • #38
                  ... I was in favour of the Mazzers, not because of their look, but because I have never heard a bad word about them. also I often speak to cafe owners and Baristas and they always recommend Mazzer.
                  Mazzers are excellent grinders,.but some of the features that endear them to cafe owners and barista's may be irrelevent to home use ( eg, long service life, ) whilst characteristics important to home use may not be apparent in commercial use ( retained grinds, messy dosing, noise, size, etc )
                  Do some more reading of the owners feedback and comparisons before you make a final choice.

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                  • #39
                    As blend52 said mazzers will always be recommended in a commercial environment because they are built like a tank. But at home you can get more bang for your buck.

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                    • #40
                      That is good advice on the grinders. Are you referring to the Mahlkonig Vario?
                      Will it really grind as good as a Mazzer, or as Chris suggests a Macap?

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                      • #41
                        Atleast as good as but probably better

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                        • #42
                          G'day Emille,

                          I think you will find that a commercial Mazzer, Macap et al has has it over a domestic grinder for longevity. My opinion FWIW: stick to the biggies.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Dragunov21 View Post
                            If she doesn't want to bother with manual pour, I suspect temp-surfing is not going to go over well, especially with 2k to spend...
                            Cant understand why anyone would want to have to put up with temp surfing.

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                            • #44
                              well, if you are not in a mad rush to make your shots, and only make 1-2 drinks each time, then I would think temp surfing is ok (specially if it is your morning "ritual" )
                              but if you want to make more drinks to entertain... then yes, look elsewhere

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Logzy View Post
                                Cant understand why anyone would want to have to put up with temp surfing.
                                It's hardly like a week on the Burma railway. Individuals with a modicum of common sense and a willingness to understand what is going seem to have no problem with it. I have several friends (non forumites) who don't understand what all the fuss is about....and they make great coffee when I visit them.

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