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  • TampIt
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    Originally posted by Darkfalz View Post
    The lathe might help the "sticking" problem but I don't think it would help the other problem, because the lugs would need metal ADDED to them, wouldn't they? I guess if it's going in crooked though, it could be the reason for the leaking.
    Hey Darkfalz

    I have put a little more detail in this post as other CS'rs may find it useful. Assuming lathe guy is "him" for brevity, no gender bias implied.

    If you take the metal off the top of the lug, there is more p/f holder height above the lug which will press the basket earlier & harder against the group. So it increases the pressure between basket & group and helps to stop any leaks. Even 0.5mm can make a huge difference so, as posted, do not be cavalier about it. Too far and the lugs will not even fit in the group. That is also using the unsafe assumption that all other things like p/f & basket diameter are correct etc. etc. (checking the sky for pigs). Take the whole machine, grinder & some decent coffee in with you as you will need it to cross check the work (and sometimes the progress) as well as having a potential bribe to smooth the process.

    IF you suspect the lugs are actually uneven and it is NOT the naked one:-

    1) Loosen the handle: The easy tool free method: lock the p/f via the spout(s) in a wooden slatted bench aka "bus stop seat" (esp. useful if you do not have a really gentle vise around) and loosen the handle by unscrewing / twisting it (usually anticlockwise, however check your manual if possible) and pressing down on the p/f (i.e. keeping it located) at the same time. Often the handles are attached with a lot of loctite and it can "set" and be hard to remove after a few months of the coffee cycle. As soon as it loosens off, stop.
    2) Take the spout off: Put it back in the slats. Using the slightly loosened handle as a lever, turn the whole p/f anticlockwise (usually: check manual if in doubt). Even the most stubborn spout will usually come off with relative ease.
    3) Take the previously loosened handle off completely.
    4) Use the hole of the p/f spout as a guide for the lathe: The screw threads are fairly standard so most lathe guys will be able to match the thread and use that to make the p/f exactly central (a very good thing). Some lathe guys will also use the outside of the p/f as an additional guide. Warn them that p/f's are fairly thin so that may make it into a fairly useless oval rather than a circle if they put too much pressure there (which is why you convert it to naked after doing the lugs if you have a choice). If it is a naked, get him to mount it from both the inside and outside if possible (it is possible, however he may hate you for suggesting it. Be uber tactful on that one...).
    5) Even up the top of the lugs up on the lathe. If needed, take off any positively known extra "lug metal" after that. If in any doubt at all, stop the lathe, fire up your machine and check for fit. Preferably by making the lathe guy a coffee so he can see how the machine works under pressure (also good PR, especially if it sprays water everywhere so he can see it needs more work). It is way more difficult to add metal back on, so err on the side of removing less and sticking it in the lathe twice. When you think this stage is correct, move on.
    6) Do a much finer grind than your usual. Fire your machine up and make a deliberately overdosed "choker" to check for sprays and adjust final lug height if necessary.
    7) If all is good, thank / pay / finalise and perhaps make him another (better) coffee so he can see what his work did. If you ever need another one done, he will probably accommodate you.

    I hope this helps. If you need more info, please PM me.

    Cheers

    TampIt

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  • Darkfalz
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    The lathe might help the "sticking" problem but I don't think it would help the other problem, because the lugs would need metal ADDED to them, wouldn't they? I guess if it's going in crooked though, it could be the reason for the leaking.

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  • rawill
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    Hehe - this has been great fun

    And a great Xmas to you guys too.
    See you in the new year on some thread or other.

    And as we know, life is too short to drink bad coffee, have great pours guys.

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  • TampIt
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    Originally posted by rawill View Post
    Thankyou, I was only going to tidy up the naked part, where I used the hole saw and file.

    I am happy with my icecream lid for now, but I will check it and maybe think of another material, maybe a fibre washer if I can get on that large.
    Is NZ against the time honoured "Oz cereal gasket fix"? One of my friends cars still has one I out in around 1980: they last. Perhaps NZ also has better quality icecream lids (as well as icecream... salivating).

    Enjoy playing with your lathe (get a piece of 316 and make yourself a tamper or two).

    I really just posted this to wish you a great Xmas.

    TampIt

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  • rawill
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    Originally posted by TampIt View Post
    Hi rawill

    That was meant for Darkfalz.

    In your case, measure your "icecream lid washer" thickness and take that much off the lugs. Remove the washer. Too easy: no more leaks.

    Cheers

    TampIt
    Thankyou, I was only going to tidy up the naked part, where I used the hole saw and file.

    I am happy with my icecream lid for now, but I will check it and maybe think of another material, maybe a fibre washer if I can get on that large.

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  • TampIt
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    Originally posted by rawill View Post
    Now putting the P/F in a lathe, that is a good idea, I should have thought of that.
    I have a lathe where I work, I might clean up my Naked P/F, make it look more professional, I only used a hole saw and a file!
    Hi rawill

    That was meant for Darkfalz.

    In your case, measure your "icecream lid washer" thickness and take that much off the lugs. Remove the washer. Too easy: no more leaks.

    Cheers

    TampIt

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  • rawill
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    Now putting the P/F in a lathe, that is a good idea, I should have thought of that.
    I have a lathe where I work, I might clean up my Naked P/F, make it look more professional, I only used a hole saw and a file!

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  • TampIt
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    Originally posted by Darkfalz View Post
    It appears my naked portafilter suffers the same problem as the PF from my original returned EM7000. I need to lock it as hard to the right as I possibly can or it spits water from the the group head during the shot.

    It is now apparent to me that the variability is most likely with the Sunbeam PFs, not so much with the seals or machines (when I exchanged my machine, obviously I received a new and different PF). This one also sort of "catches" when I remove it rather than coming out smoothly like my stock one. It's likely that one of the lugs is just not machined quite right.

    It's a shame considering the cost and the custom work that was required to make it that I have one with a defect, as it's not as easy as just going to Sunbeam and asking them to replace it.
    Hi again Darkfalz

    Sorry to hear your naked is not very good.

    I just replied to your 700 post, and found this thread: I remembered correctly, you do have a 7000 these days. Stretching my memory further, I think you are in Canberra. There should be someone / somewhere you can access that has a lathe in the ACT (or nearby where you actually are...).

    It is simple to even up the p/f lugs (and you could have made it naked on the same lathe* as the next step if not already done). The trick is to take your stock p/f with you to match the height from the top of the lug to the top of the p/f. That will make them an exact match unless the diameter of the p/f is also a slight mismatch: visualise the curve of the basket sitting slightly off-centre on the top of the p/f vs sitting exactly central. The basket height would be slightly different, which affects dosing a lot more than you would suspect. Been there, have the scars... and the sprays from the top of the group for that matter.

    *Tip: Take the handle off before you stick it in a lathe, it will be a lot more stable.

    Hope this helps


    TampIt

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  • rawill
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    Originally posted by Darkfalz View Post
    It is now apparent to me that the variability is most likely with the Sunbeam PFs, not so much with the seals or machines
    I have only seen 3 EM6910s without the "washer" under the seal, the P/F had to be round to the right on those three, and the same was true on my unit even after I replaced the blue seal.

    I put the washer under it and it now sits directly where it should, straight out pointing at the operator/barista!.

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  • rawill
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    Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    You reckon that's quick?

    You should see what Andy does with BeanBay stock

    Enjoy the new kit Rbn...
    I will have to check that out too - thanks for the comment, to the South of the South Island NZ is where I am.
    We can see Stewart Island from here!, Next stop Antarctica. Grrr.

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  • Darkfalz
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    It appears my naked portafilter suffers the same problem as the PF from my original returned EM7000. I need to lock it as hard to the right as I possibly can or it spits water from the the group head during the shot.

    It is now apparent to me that the variability is most likely with the Sunbeam PFs, not so much with the seals or machines (when I exchanged my machine, obviously I received a new and different PF). This one also sort of "catches" when I remove it rather than coming out smoothly like my stock one. It's likely that one of the lugs is just not machined quite right.

    It's a shame considering the cost and the custom work that was required to make it that I have one with a defect, as it's not as easy as just going to Sunbeam and asking them to replace it.

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  • TC
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    Originally posted by rawill View Post
    Unbelieveable!~!

    My VST basket arrived today!
    How fast was that, less than a week.
    You reckon that's quick?

    You should see what Andy does with BeanBay stock

    Enjoy the new kit Rbn...

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  • rawill
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    Unbelievable

    Unbelieveable!~!

    My VST basket arrived today!
    How fast was that, less than a week.
    Great work by Mark at "Things Coffee".

    Now the fun begins, from my first effort with it this morning, 5 minutes after it arrived! I see I have new techniques to discover!

    I think I had got my stock single basket close to right, but the "ridge" is deeper in the VST basket so I will have to change my approach!

    Rbn

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  • rawill
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    Originally posted by Journeyman View Post
    I think God shots are the ones where you take a sip and exclaim, "Oh Jesus!" in a blissful tone.
    hehe, some of my evangelical contacts would take exception, but I like it!~!

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  • Journeyman
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    If the ice cream washer ISN'T melting, might be longer lasting that the cardboard ones, which apparently compress over time.

    I think God shots are the ones where you take a sip and exclaim, "Oh Jesus!" in a blissful tone.

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